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Nazi has no country
Topic Started: Oct 19 2006, 08:37 AM (889 Views)
John D'Oh
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Oct 19 2006, 11:30 PM
of course realistically a huge percentage of the members of the german army would have done things, if given the order, which would have constituted war crimes. If we also admit that the german army was probably a representatvie sample of germans of the time, and we take the massive leap of faith that maybe just maybe germans don't have a genetic defect which makes them evil bloodthirsty subhumans... then we should probably admit that these were basically normal people who lived in abnormal circumstances. The same sort of people we see around us every day, except reared in a different time, in a different society. If anybody wants to think to themselves, which of the people they see every day might have been a willing member of the SS, commiting warcrimes without remorse, maybe they could start with those of us who insist on seeing this issue in a very black and white "this man is evil and must be punished" sort of way.

Alternatively, we could argue that the people who were unwilling, for what ever reason, to draw a line, and say 'enough is enough, and this is flat out wrong' were the type who allowed the Nazis to get elected in the first place.

Of course, I'm playing devil's advocate, as you made a very good point. I've often wondered what I would have done if I'd grown up in 1930's Germany. I fear I would have been a sheep, just like everyone else. Saying 'I'd stand and fight with all my breath until they take me away' is an awful lot easier than standing and fighting with all of one's breath until they take one away.
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Frank_W
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Good and sobering point, John.
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My Polish grandparents died in concentration camps in WWII. It's part of the long documented story of who I am--but lately, because I've opposed some Israeli policies, certain Jewish posters on this board have sent me in brown paper packages general pictures of non descript dead people placed in open graves at the hands of Nazis.

How nice. Maybe my grandparents being buried in the pictures--who knows?

bach would be the perpetrator of such actions, and Klotz his grinning associate.


i see i missed a reference to me within this thread.

to set the record straight....since im sure the person who referred to me has long forgotten the context....

back in piano world, at the beginning of my attendence there, said person was posting one of his usual anti-israel diatribes...at the time i did not understand how sick this man was...

i had recently posted something concerning one of my sons who is a paratrooper and the content of his post was something akin to israeli practice in the west bank was nazi like...

again, not knowing what kind of person i was dealing with...i PM'd him saying i was taken aback by his comparison,esp in light of me just saying my son was in the army and asked for an apology..the response i got was basically to just shut up...get a life etc...

i thought at that time that in spite of his grandparents demise, he really had no f*ucking clue what he was talking about. (i belive his words were..hey i own the holocaust, no one like u is going to tell me about it...)so i posted a graphic holocaust picture, (not PM, but public post) saying, this is what nazis r, how can anyone insinuate this is israeli practice and that i took personal offense that anyone could imply my son was such a cold blooded murderer....the thread was long ago edited out...its not there anymore. later i got the feeling he was drunk at the time, because much of the writing was abit incoherrent.

i never got him to retract...but over time, and after various other altercations, i began to understand that the poster was basically a sick individual with a personality disorder and that he should at best be pitied and not responded to.

and i still stand by this.
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