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Republican gays are closet Democrats; Must be read to be believed
Topic Started: Oct 13 2006, 11:07 AM (372 Views)
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It's early in the probe, but we may be looking at emerging evidence of a homosexual recruitment ring that operated on Capitol Hill. It's time to get beyond partisan politics and follow the evidence wherever it leads. Our media should not be intimidated by charges of "gay bashing." They must lead the way in getting to the bottom of this terrible abuse of power.


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John D'Oh
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What's that big river in Egypt called again? What a complete arse.
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Go you dispute the "facts" as presented, or the conclusions?
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Now that is some convoluted stuff!

A sexual-politico 'Who's on first?' routine.. :lol:
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Oct 13 2006, 03:14 PM
Go you dispute the "facts" as presented, or the conclusions?

I'm disputing the sanity of the writer.
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Oct 13 2006, 11:14 AM
Go you dispute the "facts" as presented, or the conclusions?

I wouldn't characterize it either way.

It is ridiculous to suggest that homosexuals aren't real Republicans because they are gay and contribute to organizations that support gay causes. The idiot writer notes that gay organizations give more money to Democratic candidates than to Republican candidates and that the gay Republicans who support these organizations aren't really Republicans. Why doesn't this guy advocate finding all of the pro-choice Republicans who contribute to Planned Parenthood and tell them they aren't Republicans. How about contributing to organizations in favor of gun control? Why not throw them out of the party, too. If you have to buy into every item on a party platform, very few people, and certainly no independent thinkers, would belong to any party.

But hey, if Republicans think it's a good idea to force homosexuals to choose between supporting gay rights and being Republican, go for it. That's a lot of talent you'd be willing to forego in the name of party purity. You'll deserve the regular trouncing you get in every subsequent election.
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I could almost believe the guy was writing this tongue in cheek.
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I haven't even addressed the conspiracy theory, which is odious to the point of nausea and beyond. I'm too busy throwing up to attend to it.
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Maybe when people try to join the republican party they should check to make sure they aren't gay. 'Are you now, or have you ever been....'
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Oct 13 2006, 03:34 PM
I could almost believe the guy was writing this tongue in cheek.

Whose cheek?
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The matter of whether one is a "true" Republican, or Democrat, obviously goes beyond simply what your voter registration card says. If you are a "true" believer in your political party, you will support it with your vote, your time, and your treasure - because, it is assumed, that the party in question is most nearly aligned with your own viewpoints, and that if that party is in power, then most of your positions will be advanced (or at least, more of them will be advanced than if the other party is in power).

What's at issue here really isn't whether gays should or shouldn't be represented within various levels of party power. The real issue, which is actually even more of a concern in the fractious Democrat party, is the issue of the single-issue supporter. A person is only of very limited value to a party if he isn't willing to support the party for the overall, greater good, when his one "pet issue" isn't addressed to his liking.



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Oct 13 2006, 03:40 PM
The matter of whether one is a "true" Republican, or Democrat, obviously goes beyond simply what your voter registration card says. If you are a "true" believer in your political party, you will support it with your vote, your time, and your treasure - because, it is assumed, that the party in question is most nearly aligned with your own viewpoints, and that if that party is in power, then most of your positions will be advanced (or at least, more of them will be advanced than if the other party is in power).

What's at issue here really isn't whether gays should or shouldn't be represented within various levels of party power. The real issue, which is actually even more of a concern in the fractious Democrat party, is the issue of the single-issue supporter. A person is only of very limited value to a party if he isn't willing to support the party for the overall, greater good, when his one "pet issue" isn't addressed to his liking.

What's also at issue is the idea of dissent within a party. Look at the treatment of Liebermann, for example - picked not because he's a Democrat, but because he's got the guts to stand up for what he believes, alternatively on the Republican side, Schwarzenegger? (Actually, I can't think of a very good example, but I'm sure someone can educate me)

It takes real guts to stand up for what you believe, and to refuse to toe the party line, infinitely more than it does to fight the other party. Arguably Winston Churchill's greatest personal battle was not with Hitler, but was with the right wing of his own Conservative party,who loathed and detested him ever after, at least they did until he won, at which point he became a national treasure.

It also takes real guts for leadership to allow dissent within the party they head. A truly great leader doesn't want to be surrounded by yes-men, since without challenge there is no thought.
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interesting website and interesting articles at AIM

anyone familiar with AIM

David - how did you come accross the website?
it behooves me to behold
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Oct 13 2006, 02:05 PM
interesting website and interesting articles at AIM

anyone familiar with AIM

David - how did you come accross the website?

Andrew Sullivan's blog noted it today. AIM has been around since 1969. It's a right wing org. I suspect there a number of folks familiar with it on this forum.
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Dave Spelvin
Oct 13 2006, 12:29 PM

But hey, if Republicans think it's a good idea to force homosexuals to choose between supporting gay rights and being Republican, go for it. That's a lot of talent you'd be willing to forego in the name of party purity. You'll deserve the regular trouncing you get in every subsequent election.

You seem to think I am a republican, Dave. I've clarified numerous times that I am an independent and left the Reps years ago -- or rather, they abandoned their core foundation.
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Oct 13 2006, 12:13 PM
Dewey
Oct 13 2006, 03:40 PM
The matter of whether one is a "true" Republican, or Democrat, obviously goes beyond simply what your voter registration card says. If you are a "true" believer in your political party, you will support it with your vote, your time, and your treasure - because, it is assumed, that the party in question is most nearly aligned with your own viewpoints, and that if that party is in power, then most of your positions will be advanced (or at least, more of them will be advanced than if the other party is in power).

What's at issue here really isn't whether gays should or shouldn't be represented within various levels of party power. The real issue, which is actually even more of a concern in the fractious Democrat party, is the issue of the single-issue supporter. A person is only of very limited value to a party if he isn't willing to support the party for the overall, greater good, when his one "pet issue" isn't addressed to his liking.

What's also at issue is the idea of dissent within a party. Look at the treatment of Liebermann, for example - picked not because he's a Democrat, but because he's got the guts to stand up for what he believes, alternatively on the Republican side, Schwarzenegger? (Actually, I can't think of a very good example, but I'm sure someone can educate me)

It takes real guts to stand up for what you believe, and to refuse to toe the party line, infinitely more than it does to fight the other party. Arguably Winston Churchill's greatest personal battle was not with Hitler, but was with the right wing of his own Conservative party,who loathed and detested him ever after, at least they did until he won, at which point he became a national treasure.

It also takes real guts for leadership to allow dissent within the party they head. A truly great leader doesn't want to be surrounded by yes-men, since without challenge there is no thought.

I would take issue with your characterization of Lieberman somewhat. He most certainly was chosen as the vice-presidential nominee of his party because he was Democrat and although I know some would disagree with me- I think he's set the example in American history of how the loyal opposition is not supposed to behave in a democracy. The "party line" is that Democrats are intolerant and he voted with them 90% of the time. I doubt that a careful analysis of his voting record would make it seem this clear and notice it is the Republicans who love him- where there's smoke there's fire. His first mistake was when he bent over after the 2000 election. I have no use for him. I feel both parties have sold out their core values. I'd definitely put Lieberman in this category.

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Oct 13 2006, 05:07 PM
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Oct 13 2006, 12:29 PM

But hey, if Republicans think it's a good idea to force homosexuals to choose between supporting gay rights and being Republican, go for it. That's a lot of talent you'd be willing to forego in the name of party purity. You'll deserve the regular trouncing you get in every subsequent election.

You seem to think I am a republican, Dave. I've clarified numerous times that I am an independent and left the Reps years ago -- or rather, they abandoned their core foundation.

You're so vain...

Yes, I was responding to your post, but I was talking about the guy who wrote the article and others like him in the Republican party. I apologize for the confusion. Now I know that you are an independent. As such, will you ever vote for a Democrat?
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Oct 13 2006, 09:07 PM
Dave Spelvin
Oct 13 2006, 12:29 PM

But hey, if Republicans think it's a good idea to force homosexuals to choose between supporting gay rights and being Republican, go for it. That's a lot of talent you'd be willing to forego in the name of party purity. You'll deserve the regular trouncing you get in every subsequent election.

You seem to think I am a republican, Dave. I've clarified numerous times that I am an independent and left the Reps years ago -- or rather, they abandoned their core foundation.

Yes, it's all well and good being an independent, but who do you vote for? I'm an independent too, I just always vote Labour. :)
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Dave Spelvin
Oct 13 2006, 06:47 PM
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Oct 13 2006, 05:07 PM
Dave Spelvin
Oct 13 2006, 12:29 PM

But hey, if Republicans think it's a good idea to force homosexuals to choose between supporting gay rights and being Republican, go for it. That's a lot of talent you'd be willing to forego in the name of party purity. You'll deserve the regular trouncing you get in every subsequent election.

You seem to think I am a republican, Dave. I've clarified numerous times that I am an independent and left the Reps years ago -- or rather, they abandoned their core foundation.

You're so vain...

Yes, I was responding to your post, but I was talking about the guy who wrote the article and others like him in the Republican party. I apologize for the confusion. Now I know that you are an independent. As such, will you ever vote for a Democrat?

I would LOVE to. My family comes from traditional NY Democratic ranks.

But where will I find one who hasn't sold out to the proborts like Jesse Jackson and Al Gore and Richard Gephart and Bill Clinton and Ted Kennedy did. I had tremendous respect for the late Gov. Casey.

Show me some who I can support. I am all ears.
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Robert F. Kennedy Jr. I think he's the only one who hasn't sold out! He's not running for dog catcher as far as I know. :lol:

IT, what is a probort? Is that kind of like a borg?

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If you are very strongly anti-abortion, voting Democrat is always going to be difficult.
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John D'Oh
Oct 14 2006, 03:49 AM
If you are very strongly anti-abortion, voting Democrat is always going to be difficult.

Yeah, but it didn't used to be. Before the 70s, Dems were very strong among urban ethnics-- Irish, German, Italian, Polish -- and Catholics had no problem supporting them.
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