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| Why the Islamic Terrorists Hate the USA?; "who we are" or "our foreign policy? | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Oct 13 2006, 02:41 AM (2,045 Views) | |
| John D'Oh | Oct 20 2006, 05:09 AM Post #126 |
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Personally, I think nuclear energy needs to make a comeback as a relatively clean alternative. I know all the hippies hate the idea, but who cares what hippies think anyway? If hippies care so much about the environment, why don't they wash more often? |
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| Frank_W | Oct 20 2006, 05:10 AM Post #127 |
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A hippy gave me a peace sign, yesterday. I returned half of it. |
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Anatomy Prof: "The human body has about 20 sq. meters of skin." Me: "Man, that's a lot of lampshades!" | |
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| Luke's Dad | Oct 20 2006, 05:10 AM Post #128 |
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Context of the thread, my dumbass little friend. The thread is not in relationship to the US and allies invading Iraq. This thread is about Why Islamist Terrorists hate us. Obviously, the United States was targeted and struck against by Islamic Terrorists before the Iraq War. Therefore the hatred existed beforehand. So Iraq's off the table. 2)
The escalation has been going on for about 15 years. You're probably too much of a dumbass to remember this, but back in the 80's, Reagan adopted a zero tolerance policy regarding terrorism. A group attacked US interests? He went at them, hard. As a result terror attacks dropped against the US. Such was the status quo for a while. Then, there were several small tentative strikes by Islamists, and guess what? No response. The reason for the attacks over the past 15 years is not "Something We Did", i= the reason is what we didn't do. Follow Reagan's lead from the 80's. Ehhh, I'm not going to spend all day pointing out what a dumbass you are, you do a fine enough job on your own. |
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| Frank_W | Oct 20 2006, 05:15 AM Post #129 |
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Fifteen? No.... It's been going on since the late sixties, but you raise several good points, LD. During former president Carter's tenure, we were the laughing stock of the world. When former president Reagan came into office, the hostages were released by Iran. Muammar Khaddafi started his saber rattling and after Reagan sent some planes over and the bombs started falling, Khaddafi wasn't heard from again, for many years. |
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| Luke's Dad | Oct 20 2006, 05:19 AM Post #130 |
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Yeah, but Reagan had ground things to a halt in the 80's. (Something I don't think he gets enough credit for) It seemed like there was a hijacking or attack every month in the early 80's, till Reagan presented a strong stance and policy regarding terrorism. |
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| Frank_W | Oct 20 2006, 05:22 AM Post #131 |
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Yep. I remember. Once he got it across to the terrorists that he wasn't going to screw around, they backed off in a hurry. |
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| Luke's Dad | Oct 20 2006, 05:28 AM Post #132 |
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But hey, I'm sure Carter's Billion Dollar Energy Plan would have been even more effective. :rolleyes: :lol: :lol: :lol: |
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| Larry | Oct 20 2006, 05:30 AM Post #133 |
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Now if we could only get the left and the dimocrap party to understand that, and understand that all the whining and posturing, all the "get out now" BS is encouraging the enemy to continue to fight. It's the most obvious thing in the world, they have been told this repeatedly, yet they only get louder. Either they are stupid, or they actually want us to lose. Or they are willing to do anything to get back in power, even if it means sacrificing the country and our soldiers' lives to do it. Or what I believe - all three. |
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| JBryan | Oct 20 2006, 05:31 AM Post #134 |
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Then there was the bombing of the embassy and the Marine barracks in Beirut and he was arm twisted into pulling them out. That was the beginning of a long string of cave-ins to terrorism that continued on up until 9/11. Our policies in the Middle East did not antagonize them. It emboldened them. |
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"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it". Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody. Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore. From The Lion in Winter. | |
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| kentcouncil | Oct 20 2006, 05:33 AM Post #135 |
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This is regrettably untrue. The 1983 Beirut barracks bombing killed 241 Americans and injured 60. The US never retaliated (curiously, the French, who also lost personnel in a similar attack, DID), and American forces were withdrawn from Lebanon the next year. It is now believed that Iran and a nascent Hezbollah were responsible. This act was one of the first instances of suicide bombing, and proved to Islamic extremists the effectiveness of it as a tactic against superior military forces. (edit: JBryan got there before me; I was responding to Frank and LD) |
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| Luke's Dad | Oct 20 2006, 05:47 AM Post #136 |
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My bad mistake. |
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| mmmaestro007 | Oct 20 2006, 02:12 PM Post #137 |
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think a little deeper idiot, we're debating 'Why the Islamic Terrorists Hate the USA?' you don't think Iraq has any effect? - take your head out of your arse! is the escalation escalating?- apart from 9/11, there have been more people killed in terror attacks since the Iraq war than the previous 15 years-London, Madrid, Bali x 2 so has the invasion of Iraq curbed terrorism? - or do i need to draw you a picture? :lol: |
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"Madam, you have between your legs an instrument capable of giving pleasure to thousands, and all you can do is scratch it!" Sir Thomas Beechem, conductor | |
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| Luke's Dad | Oct 20 2006, 02:21 PM Post #138 |
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So 9/11 occurred after the Iraq war? They hated us well before the Iraq War. How long had those sleeper cells been in place in London and Madrid? Well before we ever invaded Iraq. |
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| Luke's Dad | Oct 20 2006, 02:23 PM Post #139 |
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Why do Islamic Extremists in Indonesia despise Australia so much? |
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| mmmaestro007 | Oct 20 2006, 02:30 PM Post #140 |
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"So 9/11 occurred after the Iraq war?" read more carefully "How long had those sleeper cells been in place in London and Madrid? Well before we ever invaded Iraq." i don't know- do you know? |
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| mmmaestro007 | Oct 20 2006, 02:34 PM Post #141 |
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because they see us as meddling in their affairs |
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| Luke's Dad | Oct 20 2006, 02:45 PM Post #142 |
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From Wiki:
Certainly looks to me like this guy was active wellllll before the Iraq invasion. |
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| mmmaestro007 | Oct 20 2006, 03:06 PM Post #143 |
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i don't regard Wiki as an authority however even accepting this quote, Bush invading Iraq did not stop the terrorist attacks which was your premise? |
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| Luke's Dad | Oct 20 2006, 04:03 PM Post #144 |
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My IQ goes down just reading your responses. This thread was never about whether or not the invasion of Iraq deterred terrorist attacks. That's a completely different argument. This thread was about (say it with me) . It has been established that the US was hated by Islamic Terrorists before the invasion of Iraq. You are trying to argue that it has gotten worse since then. You use as an example the attacks in London. I supply evidence showing the terrorists responsible for the London Bombings lived in London most of their lives and was active in terror attacks well before the war in Iraq. The War in Iraq is an excuse for the terrorists. Hell, we've accomplished for them their stated goals, which was the disposal of Saddam Hussein and his government. It's an excuse. If we hadn't gone to Iraq, they'd be attacking in the name of Afghanistan. If we hadn't gone into Afghanistan, they'd be attacking in the name of Palestine. If we removed all the Israelis from the Middle East, they'd be attacking in the name of Iraq and our tacit support of Hussein since we haven't removed him from power. |
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| mmmaestro007 | Oct 20 2006, 05:26 PM Post #145 |
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"Madam, you have between your legs an instrument capable of giving pleasure to thousands, and all you can do is scratch it!" Sir Thomas Beechem, conductor | |
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| Larry | Oct 20 2006, 09:13 PM Post #146 |
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Moosetoe, shut the f*ck up and go away. Stupidity can be entertaining for a while, but you're beginning to get tiresome. |
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