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Why the Islamic Terrorists Hate the USA?; "who we are" or "our foreign policy?
Topic Started: Oct 13 2006, 02:41 AM (2,045 Views)
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Oct 19 2006, 06:15 AM

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" Why are you so unwilling to accept that religion is a sufficient cause?"

'sufficient cause'- do you mean 'excuse' to invade Iraq, occupy their lands and control the oil price


Context of the thread, my dumbass little friend. The thread is not in relationship to the US and allies invading Iraq. This thread is about Why Islamist Terrorists hate us. Obviously, the United States was targeted and struck against by Islamic Terrorists before the Iraq War. Therefore the hatred existed beforehand. So Iraq's off the table.

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"and you feel that for Islamic terrorists to act the way they do, they MUST be responding to something that we did to them, and that is their true motivation."

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the escalation of terrorist activity in Western countries co-inciding with the above issues-alarm bells should be ringing![/I]


The escalation has been going on for about 15 years. You're probably too much of a dumbass to remember this, but back in the 80's, Reagan adopted a zero tolerance policy regarding terrorism. A group attacked US interests? He went at them, hard. As a result terror attacks dropped against the US. Such was the status quo for a while. Then, there were several small tentative strikes by Islamists, and guess what? No response. The reason for the attacks over the past 15 years is not "Something We Did", i= the reason is what we didn't do. Follow Reagan's lead from the 80's.

Ehhh, I'm not going to spend all day pointing out what a dumbass you are, you do a fine enough job on your own.
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Fifteen? No.... It's been going on since the late sixties, but you raise several good points, LD. During former president Carter's tenure, we were the laughing stock of the world. When former president Reagan came into office, the hostages were released by Iran. Muammar Khaddafi started his saber rattling and after Reagan sent some planes over and the bombs started falling, Khaddafi wasn't heard from again, for many years.
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Yeah, but Reagan had ground things to a halt in the 80's. (Something I don't think he gets enough credit for)

It seemed like there was a hijacking or attack every month in the early 80's, till Reagan presented a strong stance and policy regarding terrorism.
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Yeah, but Reagan had ground things to a halt in the 80's. (Something I don't think he gets enough credit for)

It seemed like there was a hijacking or attack every month in the early 80's, till Reagan presented a strong stance and policy regarding terrorism.

Yep. I remember. Once he got it across to the terrorists that he wasn't going to screw around, they backed off in a hurry.
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But hey, I'm sure Carter's Billion Dollar Energy Plan would have been even more effective. :rolleyes:

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Yep. I remember. Once he got it across to the terrorists that he wasn't going to screw around, they backed off in a hurry.

Now if we could only get the left and the dimocrap party to understand that, and understand that all the whining and posturing, all the "get out now" BS is encouraging the enemy to continue to fight. It's the most obvious thing in the world, they have been told this repeatedly, yet they only get louder. Either they are stupid, or they actually want us to lose.

Or they are willing to do anything to get back in power, even if it means sacrificing the country and our soldiers' lives to do it.

Or what I believe - all three.
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Yep. I remember. Once he got it across to the terrorists that he wasn't going to screw around, they backed off in a hurry


Then there was the bombing of the embassy and the Marine barracks in Beirut and he was arm twisted into pulling them out. That was the beginning of a long string of cave-ins to terrorism that continued on up until 9/11. Our policies in the Middle East did not antagonize them. It emboldened them.
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This is regrettably untrue. The 1983 Beirut barracks bombing killed 241 Americans and injured 60. The US never retaliated (curiously, the French, who also lost personnel in a similar attack, DID), and American forces were withdrawn from Lebanon the next year. It is now believed that Iran and a nascent Hezbollah were responsible. This act was one of the first instances of suicide bombing, and proved to Islamic extremists the effectiveness of it as a tactic against superior military forces.

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Oct 19 2006, 06:15 AM
 

1)
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" Why are you so unwilling to accept that religion is a sufficient cause?"

'sufficient cause'- do you mean 'excuse' to invade Iraq, occupy their lands and control the oil price


Context of the thread, my dumbass little friend. The thread is not in relationship to the US and allies invading Iraq. This thread is about Why Islamist Terrorists hate us. Obviously, the United States was targeted and struck against by Islamic Terrorists before the Iraq War. Therefore the hatred existed beforehand. So Iraq's off the table.

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"and you feel that for Islamic terrorists to act the way they do, they MUST be responding to something that we did to them, and that is their true motivation."

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the escalation of terrorist activity in Western countries co-inciding with the above issues-alarm bells should be ringing![/I]


The escalation has been going on for about 15 years. You're probably too much of a dumbass to remember this, but back in the 80's, Reagan adopted a zero tolerance policy regarding terrorism. A group attacked US interests? He went at them, hard. As a result terror attacks dropped against the US. Such was the status quo for a while. Then, there were several small tentative strikes by Islamists, and guess what? No response. The reason for the attacks over the past 15 years is not "Something We Did", i= the reason is what we didn't do. Follow Reagan's lead from the 80's.

Ehhh, I'm not going to spend all day pointing out what a dumbass you are, you do a fine enough job on your own.

think a little deeper idiot, we're debating 'Why the Islamic Terrorists Hate the USA?'

you don't think Iraq has any effect? - take your head out of your arse!

is the escalation escalating?- apart from 9/11, there have been more people killed in terror attacks since the Iraq war than the previous 15 years-London, Madrid, Bali x 2

so has the invasion of Iraq curbed terrorism? - or do i need to draw you a picture?
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think a little deeper idiot, we're debating 'Why the Islamic Terrorists Hate the USA?'

you don't think Iraq has any effect? - take your head out of your arse!

is the escalation escalating?- apart from 9/11, there have been more people killed in terror attacks since the Iraq war than the previous 15 years-London, Madrid, Bali x 2

so has the invasion of Iraq curbed terrorism? - or do i need to draw you a picture?


So 9/11 occurred after the Iraq war? They hated us well before the Iraq War.

How long had those sleeper cells been in place in London and Madrid? Well before we ever invaded Iraq.
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Why do Islamic Extremists in Indonesia despise Australia so much?
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Oct 21 2006, 07:51 AM
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apart from 9/11, there have been more people killed in terror attacks since the Iraq war than the previous 15 years-London, Madrid, Bali x 2



So 9/11 occurred after the Iraq war? They hated us well before the Iraq War.

How long had those sleeper cells been in place in London and Madrid? Well before we ever invaded Iraq.

"So 9/11 occurred after the Iraq war?"

read more carefully

"How long had those sleeper cells been in place in London and Madrid? Well before we ever invaded Iraq."

i don't know- do you know?

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Oct 21 2006, 07:53 AM
Why do Islamic Extremists in Indonesia despise Australia so much?

because they see us as meddling in their affairs
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Khan is alleged to have travelled regularly to Pakistan and Afghanistan to attend military training camps, [4] and is also believed to have spent time in Israel. He is also alleged to have been trained with Indonesian terror group Jemaah Islamiah and to be directly involved with the 2002 Bali bombing [5].

According to the Israeli newspaper Maariv, Khan travelled to Israel on February 19, 2003, staying only one night and leaving the next day. Maariv reports that he is suspected of having helped to plan the April 30, 2003 suicide bombing of the Mike's Place bar in Tel Aviv which killed three Israelis, carried out by two British citizens of Pakistani descent. The Israeli government is allegedly playing down the report. [6]



Certainly looks to me like this guy was active wellllll before the Iraq invasion.
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From Wiki:

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Khan is alleged to have travelled regularly to Pakistan and Afghanistan to attend military training camps, [4] and is also believed to have spent time in Israel. He is also alleged to have been trained with Indonesian terror group Jemaah Islamiah and to be directly involved with the 2002 Bali bombing [5].

According to the Israeli newspaper Maariv, Khan travelled to Israel on February 19, 2003, staying only one night and leaving the next day. Maariv reports that he is suspected of having helped to plan the April 30, 2003 suicide bombing of the Mike's Place bar in Tel Aviv which killed three Israelis, carried out by two British citizens of Pakistani descent. The Israeli government is allegedly playing down the report. [6]



Certainly looks to me like this guy was active wellllll before the Iraq invasion.

i don't regard Wiki as an authority however even accepting this quote, Bush invading Iraq did not stop the terrorist attacks which was your premise?
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From Wiki:

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Khan is alleged to have travelled regularly to Pakistan and Afghanistan to attend military training camps, [4] and is also believed to have spent time in Israel. He is also alleged to have been trained with Indonesian terror group Jemaah Islamiah and to be directly involved with the 2002 Bali bombing [5].

According to the Israeli newspaper Maariv, Khan travelled to Israel on February 19, 2003, staying only one night and leaving the next day. Maariv reports that he is suspected of having helped to plan the April 30, 2003 suicide bombing of the Mike's Place bar in Tel Aviv which killed three Israelis, carried out by two British citizens of Pakistani descent. The Israeli government is allegedly playing down the report. [6]



Certainly looks to me like this guy was active wellllll before the Iraq invasion.

i don't regard Wiki as an authority however even accepting this quote, Bush invading Iraq did not stop the terrorist attacks which was your premise?

My IQ goes down just reading your responses.

This thread was never about whether or not the invasion of Iraq deterred terrorist attacks. That's a completely different argument. This thread was about (say it with me)
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Why the Islamic Terrorists Hate the USA?
. It has been established that the US was hated by Islamic Terrorists before the invasion of Iraq. You are trying to argue that it has gotten worse since then. You use as an example the attacks in London. I supply evidence showing the terrorists responsible for the London Bombings lived in London most of their lives and was active in terror attacks well before the war in Iraq. The War in Iraq is an excuse for the terrorists. Hell, we've accomplished for them their stated goals, which was the disposal of Saddam Hussein and his government.

It's an excuse. If we hadn't gone to Iraq, they'd be attacking in the name of Afghanistan. If we hadn't gone into Afghanistan, they'd be attacking in the name of Palestine. If we removed all the Israelis from the Middle East, they'd be attacking in the name of Iraq and our tacit support of Hussein since we haven't removed him from power.
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the Iraq invasion. [/QUOTE
 


My IQ goes down just reading your responses.

This thread was never about whether or not the invasion of Iraq deterred terrorist attacks. That's a completely different argument. This thread was about (say it with me)
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Why the Islamic Terrorists Hate the USA?
. It has been established that the US was hated by Islamic Terrorists before the invasion of Iraq. You are trying to argue that it has gotten worse since then. You use as an example the attacks in London. I supply evidence showing the terrorists responsible for the London Bombings lived in London most of their lives and was active in terror attacks well before the war in Iraq. The War in Iraq is an excuse for the terrorists. Hell, we've accomplished for them their stated goals, which was the disposal of Saddam Hussein and his government.

It's an excuse. If we hadn't gone to Iraq, they'd be attacking in the name of Afghanistan. If we hadn't gone into Afghanistan, they'd be attacking in the name of Palestine. If we removed all the Israelis from the Middle East, they'd be attacking in the name of Iraq and our tacit support of Hussein since we haven't removed him from power.

"My IQ goes down just reading your responses."

:eek: i didn't think it could go any lower!

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Yeah, but Reagan had ground things to a halt in the 80's. (Something I don't think he gets enough credit for)

It seemed like there was a hijacking or attack every month in the early 80's, till Reagan presented a strong stance and policy regarding terrorism. "

this quote would seem to indicate you are of the view that military action curbs terrorism, so how has invading Iraq helped the situation?




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