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| QuirtEvans | Sep 8 2006, 08:45 AM Post #1 |
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I Owe It All To John D'Oh
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http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/09/08/ira...t.ap/index.html |
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| JBryan | Sep 8 2006, 09:48 AM Post #2 |
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This report they are releasing was issued in October of 2005, nearly a year ago. There has been much new information turned up since then, much of it posted on this forum, that is contradictory. Also, it certainly does not prove there were no links between Saddam and Al Qaeda. It simply says there is (was) no evidence supporting a link between Al Zarqawi and his Al Qaeda associates. That does not mean that such a relationship did not exist, nor does it say anything about the rest of the Al Qaeda network. |
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"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it". Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody. Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore. From The Lion in Winter. | |
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| QuirtEvans | Sep 8 2006, 10:00 AM Post #3 |
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As we've discussed before, it's impossible to prove a negative. But, since the Senate report did such shoddy work and ignored all the things that have come out in the last year ... and since the Senate committee is at least half Republican ... I'm sure the Administration will be quick to tell us all the particulars in which the report is wrong. Except that they aren't. Tony Snow says the report is "nothing new". In other words, the fact that there was no evidence of any links between Zarqawi and Saddam ... the fact that Saddam's government "did not have a relationship, harbor, or turn a blind eye toward Zarqawi and his associates" ... is, to quote Tony Snow, "nothing new". I guess Tony Snow doesn't put quite as much stock in all the things that have come out in the last year as you do. And it's very likely that Saddam had a relationship with other elements of al-Qaeda, but not the elements actually operating in Iraq, isn't it? |
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| JBryan | Sep 8 2006, 10:42 AM Post #4 |
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I find Tony Snow's "nothing new" indicative of nothing. The Administration has long been loathe to talk about such links or any of what led up to the invasion as we have discussed before. We can only speculate why but the fact that information that has been released recently is so compelling would lead me not to conclude as you have. I would find it difficult to believe that elements of Al Qaeda were operating in Iraq without the blessing of Saddam whatever his connection with other Al Qaeda groups but I suppose it is not impossible. |
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"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it". Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody. Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore. From The Lion in Winter. | |
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| QuirtEvans | Sep 8 2006, 10:54 AM Post #5 |
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I Owe It All To John D'Oh
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But this stuff is already public, you say. You say the details have been posted here. So why would the Administration be reticent to talk about what's already publicly available and publicly known? Unless, of course, these supposed "facts" aren't facts at all, and the Administration would be embarrassed to talk about them because they aren't true. Your explanation defies common sense and political sense. If there were winning arguments, the President or his staff would make them. He showed absolutely no unwillingness yesterday to talk about all the precursors to 9/11. The idea that there are certain areas of information, already publicly known, but which the Administration is unwilling to discuss, defies credulity. |
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| JBryan | Sep 8 2006, 11:07 AM Post #6 |
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There are any number of reasons why the Administration would choose to remain silent on the matter that have nothing to do with how much credence they place in information known to the general public. It strikes me as a slender reed from which your argument depends given the quantity and sources of this information. I find it makes little sense to ignore such compelling evidence simply because the Administration has chosen not to talk about. I state that deliberately because they have said absolutely nothing one way or the other about it. Who knows. Maybe they are waiting to comment, say, the last couple of weeks in october.
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"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it". Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody. Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore. From The Lion in Winter. | |
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| QuirtEvans | Sep 8 2006, 11:45 AM Post #7 |
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I Owe It All To John D'Oh
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Interesting. The people with the most to gain by talking about supposed "evidence" ... "evidence" that is already public knowledge" ... stay silent, and you find nothing strange about that. It makes perfect sense to you. Especially in the context of your earlier arguments that it's OK to talk about stuff that's already common knowledge, like Valerie Plame's job. Especially in light of the fact that the President just gave a series of addresses talking about everything that happened pre-9/11. The Senate Intelligence Committee, including Republicans, says, flatly and categorically, that that Saddam's government "did not have a relationship, harbor, or turn a blind eye toward Zarqawi and his associates". The White House response? That's "nothing new". Doesn't that seem to indicate that the White House accepts the truth of the Senate report? If that statement is "nothing new", then it's something that's already known. There are none so blind as those that will not see. |
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| Kincaid | Sep 8 2006, 12:19 PM Post #8 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Unfortunately, defending yourself gives a lot of people the impression that you are, or might be, guilty. The White House sees a diminishing return on rehashing these old issues. |
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| JBryan | Sep 8 2006, 12:21 PM Post #9 |
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As I said, it indicates nothing. The absense of an agreement is not a disagreement. "Nothing new" (this report certainly is nothing new) and saying nothing is a long way from "Yes, we believe there was no link as well" which is what you are attempting to divine from their silence. You can speculate all you want as to what would be advantageous for them and why they are silent but, in the end, it is just that, speculation. Until I hear them dispute the evidence outright I will not put words in their mouths by making self-serving assumptions about what would be advantageous to them. Similarly, I will not dismiss compelling evidence simply because the White House refuses to talk about it. |
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| Rick Zimmer | Sep 8 2006, 05:46 PM Post #10 |
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Fulla-Carp
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Just another step towards the entire truth coming out. Each step we have seen has shown the Bush Admininstration was either living in fantasyland or lying when they justifed the war before they launched it. There will be more information coming out over the coming years. It will continue to reveal more and more how morally bankrupt the reason for the war was. Someday, we will know the real reason Bush wanted this war and how much of what he said was a lie -- and he knew it.. It is just a matter of time. |
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| JBryan | Sep 8 2006, 06:14 PM Post #11 |
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Rick, this report didn't say any of that. It is you who is living in fantasyland. All this report really said was there was no evidence that there were any contacts between Al Zarqawi and Saddam. Bush did not invade Iraq over that. Still, the idea that there was no contact betwen him and, at least, Iraqi government officials is patently absurd. How can anyone, with a straight face, say that a wounded Zarqawi fled Afghanistan and was languishing in an Iraqi Hospital without the knowledge of one of the most efficient police states ever. No, fantasyland is at no vacancy, full of Democrats. The truth will come out some day, it is coming out even now and it is much different than you or Senate Democrats imagine. |
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"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it". Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody. Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore. From The Lion in Winter. | |
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| Rick Zimmer | Sep 8 2006, 06:25 PM Post #12 |
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Fulla-Carp
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We'll see, jb. We'll let the historians decide. |
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| JBryan | Sep 8 2006, 06:29 PM Post #13 |
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Fair enough. |
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"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it". Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody. Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore. From The Lion in Winter. | |
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| George K | Sep 8 2006, 07:02 PM Post #14 |
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Finally
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Just a few tidbits from the report that didn't make it to the headlines: "The Committee examined the assessments from the Intelligence Community on the topics discussed in the NIE produced prior to and following the NIE. In most cases, the opinions of the community and individual agencies did not change following the publication of the NIE or following the 2002-2003 United Nations’ inspections in Iraq. The community judgement did change pertaining to the intended use of the Iraq’s UAVs. Specifically, the NIE judgement that Iraq’s attempts to procure U.S. mapping software for its UAVs that was useless outside the U.S., “strongly suggests that Iraq is investigating the use of these UAVs for missions targeting the United States.” A change was made to the UAV judgements in a new NIE published in January 2003 titled Nontraditional Threats to the US Homeland Through 2007" Can anyone suggest a reasonable purpose for obtaining US mapping software for ultralight UAV's that would be of no use outside the US? |
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| JBryan | Sep 8 2006, 07:12 PM Post #15 |
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They may want to find a Holiday Inn on the way to wherever they are really going? |
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"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it". Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody. Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore. From The Lion in Winter. | |
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| Jack Frost | Sep 8 2006, 07:31 PM Post #16 |
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Bull-Carp
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Rick, maybe Larry IS right about you! There is no OR here. The White House lied as part of a calculated move to get us into Iraq. How can you suggest they may have merely been living in some fantasy land? I will never let W off that easily. jf |
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| JBryan | Sep 8 2006, 07:34 PM Post #17 |
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How can you suggest they were lying? What was the lie? (I have asked this over and over and have gotten the same non-responsive responses) |
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"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it". Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody. Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore. From The Lion in Winter. | |
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| Jack Frost | Sep 8 2006, 07:43 PM Post #18 |
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Bull-Carp
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The problem with that is the invasion hawks have gone from "Mission Accomplished" to "The real benefits of this invasion may not be apparent for decades...." Lets rewind five years...W is appealing HONESTLY to the American people to support the invasion: Well, Iraq no longer has any WMD programs and we know it had no involvement in 9/11. The real terrorists are regroupng for a new attack. Not sure where they are. But we want to invade Iraq to plant some seeds of democracy there. Saddam is a bad dude. Our friend Chalabi has assured us he will take control and be our friend. i don't buy the rumors that he really works for Iran. We can push Saddam out in a week...but it may take five or more years, thousands of American lives, and $500 Billion to secure it, and since I am pretending to be a conservative, I can't raise taxes to pay for the war like every other wartime President, so your kids and grandkids will have to pay for it. Hey, that's a good deal for us! (wink wink) And in the end, there is a good chance that Iran will come out stronger, and we will lose all the global goodwill we have. We will deal with that when we have to. We can always have Israel invade Lebanon to keep things interesting. But I really think this invasion of Iraq is a good idea. I'm just a kind of shoot from the hip kind of guy and this one feels good to me. (And I promise this will NOT be like Vietnam where i commit the troops and then bow to political pressures so I don't send more troops to do the job right. I will really follow through with this one. Whatever it takes. Trust me? Can I go ahead? jf |
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| JBryan | Sep 8 2006, 07:45 PM Post #19 |
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Is that your response? |
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"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it". Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody. Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore. From The Lion in Winter. | |
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| Jack Frost | Sep 8 2006, 07:47 PM Post #20 |
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Bull-Carp
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Saddam Hussein was responsible for 9/11. (At the time of the invasion, 60% of the American people believed this to be true. Cheney was TOO good in promoting this fraud). Saddam Hussein was developing WMD and was months away from having the ability to deploy them. That's two big ones. jf |
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| Jack Frost | Sep 8 2006, 07:56 PM Post #21 |
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Bull-Carp
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I am not done. I expect i will be complaining about this one all my life...even as my daughter has to pay for this miscalculation. In some ways, W's lie about paying for the war is the worst. Lets have tax cuts and pretend the war is not costing anything...charge it...makes it easier to sell. IMAGINE JB if he had gone on the tube and said "This is going to cost us at least $500 Billion, but I still think it is a good idea, and this is why....Of course we will have to raise taxes, but I think it is a good idea, and this is why....." President Kerry would have had to deal with the mess. Lies. Lies. Lies. Worst President ever.... jf |
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| JBryan | Sep 8 2006, 07:57 PM Post #22 |
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1. Saddam being responsible for 9/11 was NEVER offered as a rationale by anyone (Republican or Democrat). Conspiracy theories about Jedi mind tricks don't count. Quote for me one Administration official (I am not even confining this to Bush) that made any explicit statement to that effect. 2. David Kay said precisely that in his ISG report indicating that Saddam had placed all his WMD programs in a state of readiness to be reactivated as soon as the coast was clear. There can be no question that he was within months of bringing his WMD programs on line. Really, jf, you are going to have to do a lot better than this. |
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"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it". Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody. Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore. From The Lion in Winter. | |
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| Jack Frost | Sep 8 2006, 07:57 PM Post #23 |
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Bull-Carp
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YES! That's my final answer. jf |
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| Jack Frost | Sep 8 2006, 07:59 PM Post #24 |
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Bull-Carp
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Even the White House has given up on this fantasy. jf |
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| Jack Frost | Sep 8 2006, 08:01 PM Post #25 |
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Hang on to your hat buddy... George W. Bush 2002 "The regime has longstanding and continuing ties to terrorist groups, and there are Al Qaida terrorists inside Iraq." - George W. Bush Delivers Weekly Radio Address, White House (9/28/2002) - BushOnIraq.com "We know that Iraq and al Qaeda have had high-level contacts that go back a decade. Some al Qaeda leaders who fled Afghanistan went to Iraq. These include one very senior al Qaeda leader who received medical treatment in Baghdad this year, and who has been associated with planning for chemical and biological attacks. We've learned that Iraq has trained al Qaeda members in bomb-making and poisons and deadly gases." - President Bush Outlines Iraqi Threat; Remarks by the President on Iraq, White House (10/7/2002) - Whitehouse.gov "I think they're both equally important, and they're both dangerous. And as I said in my speech in Cincinnati, we will fight if need be the war on terror on two fronts. We've got plenty of capacity to do so. And I also mentioned the fact that there is a connection between al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein. The war on terror, Iraq is a part on the war on terror. And he must disarm." - President Condems Attack in Bali, White House (10/14/2002) - Whitehouse.gov "This is a man who has got connections with Al Qaida. Imagine a terrorist network with Iraq as an arsenal and as a training ground, so that a Saddam Hussein could use this shadowy group of people to attack his enemy and leave no fingerprint behind. He's a threat." - Remarks by the President in Texas Welcome, White House (11/4/2002) - Whitehouse.gov "He's a threat because he is dealing with Al Qaida. In my Cincinnati speech I reminded the American people, a true threat facing our country is that an Al Qaida-type network trained and armed by Saddam could attack America and leave not one fingerprint." - President Outlines Priorities, White House (11/7/2002) - BushOnIraq.gov "He's had contacts with Al Qaida. Imagine the scenario where an Al Qaida-type organization uses Iraq as an arsenal, a place to get weapons, a place to be trained to use the weapons. Saddam Hussein could use surrogates to come and attack people he hates." - Remarks by the President at Arkansas Welcome, White House (11/4/2002) - BushOnIraq.com 2003 "Evidence from intelligence sources, secret communications, and statements by people now in custody reveal that Saddam Hussein aids and protects terrorists, including members of al Qaeda. Secretly, and without fingerprints, he could provide one of his hidden weapons to terrorists, or help develop their own." - President Delivers "State of the Union", White House (1/28/2003) - Whitehouse.gov "Before September the 11th, many in the world believed that Saddam Hussein could be contained. But chemical agents, lethal viruses, and shadowy terrorist networks are not easily contained. Imagine those 19 hijackers with other weapons and other planes -- this time armed by Saddam Hussein. It would take one vial, one canister, one crate slipped into this country to bring a day of horror like none we have ever known." - President Delivers "State of the Union", White House (1/28/2003) - Whitehouse.gov "Saddam Hussein has longstanding, direct and continuing ties to terrorist networks. Senior members of Iraqi intelligence and al Qaeda have met at least eight times since the early 1990s. Iraq has sent bomb-making and document forgery experts to work with al Qaeda. Iraq has also provided al Qaeda with chemical and biological weapons training. We also know that Iraq is harboring a terrorist network, headed by a senior al Qaeda terrorist planner." - President Bush: "World Can Rise to This Moment", White House (2/6/2003) - Whitehouse.gov Saddam Hussein has longstanding, direct and continuing ties to terrorist networks. Senior members of Iraq intelligence and al Qaeda have met at least eight times since the early 1990s. Iraq has sent bomb-making and document forgery experts to work with al Qaeda. Iraq has also provided al Qaeda with chemical and biological weapons training. And an al Qaeda operative was sent to Iraq several times in the late 1990s for help in aquiring poisons and gases. We also know that Iraq is harboring a terrorist network headed by a senior al Qaeda terrorist planner." - President's Radio Address, White House (2/8/2003) - BushOnIraq.com "He has trained and financed al Qaeda-type organizations before, al Qaeda and other terrorist organizations." - President George Bush Discusses Iraq in National Press Conference, White House (3/6/2003) - BushOnIraq.com "The regime . . . has aided, trained and harbored terrorists, including operatives of al Qaeda. The danger is clear: using chemical, biological or, one day, nuclear weapons, obtained with the help of Iraq, the terrorists could fulfill their stated ambitions and kill thousands or hundreds of thousands of innocent people in our country, or any other." President Says Saddam Hussein Must Leave Iraq Within 48 Hours, White House (3/17/2003) -BushOnIraq.com "The liberation of Iraq is a crucial advance in the campaign against terror. We've removed an ally of al Qaeda, and cut off a source of terrorist funding. And this much is certain: No terrorist network will gain weapons of mass destruction from the Iraqi regime, because the regime is no more." - President Bush Announces Major Combat Operations in Iraq Have Ended, White House (5/1/2003) - BushOnIraq.com "The battle of Iraq is one victory in a war on terror that began on September the 11, 2001 -- and still goes on. That terrible morning, 19 evil men -- the shock troops of a hateful ideology -- gave America and the civilized world a glimpse of their ambitions. They imagined, in the words of one terrorist, that September the 11th would be the 'beginning of the end of America.' By seeking to turn our cities into killing fields, terrorists and their allies believed that they could destroy this nation's resolve, and force our retreat from the world. They have failed." - President Bush Announces Major Combat Operations in Iraq Have Ended, White House (5/1/2003) - BushOnIraq.com Dick Cheney 2002 "In Afghanistan we found confirmation that bin Laden and the al-Qaeda network were seriously interested in nuclear and radiological weapons, and in biological and chemical agents. We are especially concerned about any possible linkup between terrorists and regimes that have or seek weapons of mass destruction." - Vice President Delivers Remarks to the National Academy of Home Builders, White House (6/6/2002) - BushOnIraq.com "His regime has had high-level contacts with al Qaeda going back a decade and has provided training to al Qaeda terrorists." - Remarks by the Vice President at the Air National Guard Senior Leadership Conference, White House (12/2/2002) - BushOnIraq.com "There is also a grave danger that al Qaeda or other terrorists will join with outlaw regimes that have these weapons to attack their common enemy, the United States of America. That is why confronting the threat posed by Iraq is not a distraction from the war on terror." - Remarks by the Vice President at the Air National Guard Senior Leadership Conference, White House (12/2/2002) - BushOnIraq.com 2003 "His regime aids and protects terrorists, including members of al Qaeda. He could decide secretly to provide weapons of mass destruction to terrorists for use against us." - Vice President's Remarks at 30th Political Action Conference, White House (1/30/2003) - BushOnIraq.com "And Saddam Hussein becomes a prime suspect in that regard because of his past track record and because we know he has, in fact, developed these kinds of capabilities, chemical and biological weapons. . . We know that he has a long-standing relationship with various terrorist groups, including the al-Qaeda organization." - Dick Cheney, Meet the Press, NBC (3/16/2003) - BushOnIraq.com "I have argued in the past, and would again, if we had been able to pre-empt the attacks of 9/11 would we have done it? And I think absolutely. We have to be prepared now to take the kind of bold action that's being contemplated with respect to Iraq in order to ensure that we don't get hit with a devastating attack when the terrorists' organization gets married up with a rogue state that's willing to provide it with the kinds of deadly capabilities that Saddam Hussein has developed and used over the years." - Dick Cheney, Meet the Press, NBC (3/16/2003) - BushOnIraq.com "If we're successful in Iraq, if we can stand up a good representative government in Iraq, that secures the region so that it never again becomes a threat to its neighbors or to the United States, so it's not pursuing weapons of mass destruction, so that it's not a safe haven for terrorists, now we will have struck a major blow right at the heart of the base, if you will, the geographic base of the terrorists who have had us under assault now for many years, but most especially on 9/11." - Dick Cheney, Meet the Press, NBC (9/14/2003) - BushOnIraq.com "(Since September 11) We learned more and more that there was a relationship between Iraq and al-Qaeda that stretched back through most of the decade of the '90s, that it involved training, for example, on BW and CW, that al-Qaeda sent personnel to Baghdad to get trained on the systems that are involved. The Iraqis providing bomb-making expertise and advice to the al-Qaeda organization." - Dick Cheney, Meet the Press, NBC (9/14/2003) - BushOnIraq.com "And the reason we had to do Iraq, if you hark back and think about that link between the terrorists and weapons of mass destruction, Iraq was the place where we were most fearful that that was most likely to occur, because in Iraq we've had a government -- not only was it one of the worst dictatorships in modern times, but had oftentimes hosted terrorists in the past . . . but also an established relationship with the al Qaeda organization . . . ." - Vice President Dick Cheney Remarks at Luncheon for Congressman Jim Gerlach, White House (10/3/2003) - BushOnIraq.com "(I)f we had not paid any attention to the fact that al Qaeda was being hosted in Northeastern Iraq, part of poisons network producing ricin and cyanide that was intended to be used in attacks both in Europe, as well as in North Africa and ignored it, we would have been derelict in our duties and responsibilities." - Vice President Dick Cheney Remarks at Luncheon for Congressman Jim Gerlach, White House (10/3/2003) - BushOnIraq.com "He cultivated ties to terror, hosting the Abu Nidal organization, supporting terrorists, making payments to the families of suicide bombers in Israel. He also had an established relationship with al Qaeda, providing training to al Qaeda members in the areas of poisons, gases, making conventional bombs." - Remarks by Vice President Dick Cheney at the Heritage Foundation, White House (10/10/2003) - BushOnIraq.com "Saddam Hussein had a lengthy history of reckless and sudden aggression. He cultivated ties to terror -- hosting the Abu Nidal organization, supporting terrorists, and making payments to the families of suicide bombers. He also had an established relationship with Al Qaida -- providing training to Al Qaida members in areas of poisons, gases and conventional bombs. He built, possessed, and used weapons of mass destruction." - Richard B. Cheney Delivers Remarks at the James A. Baker, III, Institute for Public Policy, White House (10/18/2003) - BushOnIraq.com 2004 "We'll find ample evidence confirming the link, that is the connection if you will between al Qaida and the Iraqi intelligence services. They have worked together on a number of occasions." - Transcript of interview with Vice President Dick Cheney, Rocky Mountain News (1/9/2004) - BushOnIraq.com "We did have reporting that was public, that came out shortly after the 9/11 attack, provided by the Czech government, suggesting there had been a meeting in Prague between Mohammed Atta, the lead hijacker, and a man named al-Ani (Ahmed Khalil Ibrahim Samir al-Ani), who was an Iraqi intelligence official in Prague, at the embassy there, in April of '01, prior to the 9/11 attacks. It has never been -- we've never been able to collect any more information on that. That was the one that possibly tied the two together to 9/11." - Transcript of Interview with Vice President Dick Cheney, Rocky Mountain News (1/9/2004) - BushOnIraq.com "Saddam Hussein had a lengthy history of reckless and sudden aggression. His regime cultivated ties to terror, including the al Qaeda network, and had built, possessed, and used weapons of mass destruction." - Richard B. Cheney Delivers Remarks to the Los Angeles World Affairs Council, White House (1/14/2004) - BushOnIraq.com "Saddam Hussein had a lengthy history of reckless and sudden aggression. His regime cultivated ties to terror, including the al Qaeda network, and had built, possessed, and used weapons of mass destruction." - Richard B. Cheney Delivers Remarks to Veterans at the Arizona Wing Museum, White House (1/15/2004) - BushOnIraq.com "I continue to believe. I think there's overwhelming evidence that there was a connection between al-Qaeda and the Iraqi government. We've discovered since documents indicating that a guy named Abdul Rahman Yasin, who was a part of the team that attacked the World Trade Center in '93, when he arrived back in Iraq was put on the payroll and provided a house, safe harbor and sanctuary. That's public information now. So Saddam Hussein had an established track record of providing safe harbor and sanctuary for terrorists. . . . I mean, this is a guy who was an advocate and a supporter of terrorism whenever it suited his purpose, and I'm very confident that there was an established relationship there." - Dick Cheney, Morning Edition, NPR (1/22/2004) - BushOnIraq.com From the White House website, Bush's comments about Saddam Hussein (Campaign speeches only. For period of October 10 - November 04.) OCT 28 Remarks by the President at New Mexico Welcome "This is a person who has had contacts with al Qaeda." OCT 28 Remarks by the President in Colorado Welcome "He's got connections with al Qaeda." OCT 31 Remarks by the President at South Dakota Welcome "This is a guy who has had connections with these shadowy terrorist networks." NOV 01 Remarks by the President at New Hampshire Welcome "We know he's got ties with al Qaeda." NOV 02 Remarks by the President in Florida Welcome "We know that he's had connections with al Qaeda." NOV 02 Remarks by the President in Atlanta, Georgia Welcome "He's had connections with shadowy terrorist networks like al Qaeda." NOV 02 Remarks by the President at Tennessee Welcome "We know that he has had contacts with terrorist networks like al Qaeda." NOV 03 Remarks by the President in Minnesota Welcome "This is a man who has had contacts with al Qaeda." NOV 04 Remarks by the President at Missouri Welcome "This is a man who has had al Qaeda connections." NOV 04 Remarks by the President at Arkansas Welcome "He's had contacts with al Qaeda." NOV 04 Remarks by the President in Texas Welcome "This is a man who has got connections with al Qaeda." Plus this speculation: OCT 14 Remarks by the President in Michigan Welcome "... we need to think about Saddam Hussein using al Qaeda to do his dirty work, to not leave fingerprints behind." NOV 03 Remarks by the President in South Dakota Welcome "And, not only that, he is -- would like nothing better than to hook-up with one of these shadowy terrorist networks like al Qaeda, provide some weapons and training to them, let them come and do his dirty work, and we wouldn't be able to see his fingerprints on his action. " NOV 03 Remarks by the President at Illinois Welcome "He is a man who would likely -- he is a man who would likely team up with al Qaeda. He could provide the arsenal for one of these shadowy terrorist networks. He would love to use somebody else to attack us, and not leave fingerprints behind. " jf |
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