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Coffee Room is only place...; that the Iraq war is still popular
Topic Started: Sep 8 2006, 06:43 AM (712 Views)
Hobie
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Here's some more interesting news comparing Iraq to Vietnam.

http://wilsonhellie.typepad.com/for_the_re...arity_viet.html

We have been discussing the parallels between these two wars. This is another take on that. I think this article is pretty well-written.

The number speak for themselves. I find it strange that here in the New Coffee room, we do not seem to have the same sentiment as the majority of the country. Why is that?

I feel that there are forum users who bully others to "comply or be cast out" with the attitudes here.

I think that is unacceptable, and I for one am going to offer balancing viewpoints from now on.
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Why are you posting articles written nearly a year ago by a politician who is clearly pandering to his base? If you want to debate the iraq war then bring something to the table besides self-serving (and outdated) opinion if you want to be taken seriously.
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Perhaps it's just me, but I find that when war comparisons are brought up, liberals tend to compare Iraq to Vietnam whereas conservatives use WWII instead.

I think both are entirely ridiculous.
I cite irreconcilable differences.
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This isn't out of date. For God's sake, WW2 is still extremely popular in my house and it's been over for ages. My biggest problem with the Iraq war is the lack of large tactical engagements which can be simulated in a wargame. Let's face it, the blitzkrieg at the beginning was great. Not only did it allow many comparisons between the third Reich and George W Bush, but it also contained a lot of very large explosions, which is always nice. Sadly, digging old men who look like Santa out of holes in the ground isn't really easily reproducible in a computer game. Apart from that, it's a lot of fun.
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Sadly, digging old men who look like Santa out of holes in the ground isn't really easily reproducible in a computer game. Apart from that, it's a lot of fun.


I dunno. To me he looks more like Mr. Mayfield, my 6th grade science teacher. I'm just waiting for him to look into the camera and start yelling, "stay in your seat! Stay in your seat!!".

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Sadly, digging old men who look like Santa out of holes in the ground isn't really easily reproducible in a computer game.


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I think I'd make a distinction between considering a "popular," and considering one right, or just.
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Sep 8 2006, 05:46 PM
Hi Kathy. :wave:

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Hobie
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Dewey...good point

D'oh...are you refering to a computer game?

The point I was trying to make about popularity was that in the rest of the country people are OK with questioning the war.

The New Coffee Room is not in line with most American view....or at least IMO.

My post was directed at the outspoken posters who seem to cling to the idea of this war as being absolutely the proper course of action. Like horses with blinders on...slogging forward, forward, forward. And never really understanding where they are going.

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Hobie
Sep 8 2006, 07:43 AM

I feel that there are forum users who bully others to "comply or be cast out" with the attitudes here.


This may be true to an extent. Though it's pretty much a copycat attitude presentation from various Right wing pundits and bloggers around the country.

But the way I see it, their attitudes mostly alienate people who are around the center, who might otherwise swing a bit Right or Left. So if your goal is to swing people Left, just let them go on. They will bring more people Left of Center than you can.

As far as the war itself goes, I wouldn't mind hearing about some solutions that could actually work. But I'm not sure about the value of just repeating that it's "wrong", which is no more enlightening than repeating it's "right".
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Hobie, when I first put that quote in my signature, I was usnsure of who it applied to. Then you showed up.

The fact that some of us still believe going into Iraq was the right thing to do by no means implies that we have no understanding then or now of where is has led and where it could lead. That is a foolish and unjustified assumption on your part. Could you be the one with blinders on?

If you want to be taken seriously stop using language to inflame. Given the quality of your posts so far I will give you a little leeway, as I frankly don't see evidence that you are overly bright.

But if you mean what you say, that makes you a troll.
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Hobie
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Thanks. Your are totally correct. I will back off of my "war is wrong" soapbox. Hopefully I can find some solutions to post about instead of repeating "wrong, wrong, wrong."

Fair enough
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Hobie
Sep 8 2006, 07:16 AM
The New Coffee Room is not in line with most American view....or at least IMO.



There are non Americans who post here who do not necessarily wish to be associated with the defeatism of the US left.
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Hobie
Sep 8 2006, 11:16 AM
Dewey...good point

D'oh...are you refering to a computer game?

The point I was trying to make about popularity was that in the rest of the country people are OK with questioning the war.

The New Coffee Room is not in line with most American view....or at least IMO.

The best bit about wars are the movies and computer games that inevitably follow. I have personally killed SS Panzer ace Michael Wittman on at least 8 separate occasions. If you don't find this impressive, then you don't understand the bravery and sacrifice that was involved, video cards don't come cheap, let me tell you. I will admit, however that Wittmans last death was caused by the Tie Fighter he was attempting to pilot exploding due to undisclosed design flaws. At the time I suspected jealousy from other pilots, although some bloke in a black gas-mask thingy breathily denied all knowledge.

This place not OK with questioning the war? I tell you, if all the threads in this forum discussing this war were laid end to end, there'd be a jolly big line of threads all connected together. Some have claimed that it's the biggest waste of bandwidth since Microsoft started releasing Security updates for it's 'operating' system. Don't mistake rudeness for being unwilling to have a discussion. This is the internet.
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Posted by Hobie:

"Thanks. Your are totally correct. I will back off of my "war is wrong" soapbox. Hopefully I can find some solutions to post about instead of repeating "wrong, wrong, wrong.""


Do you HAVE any solutions in mind, or will you just go a-googling to try to find something that sounds plausible?

Please don't waste our time if that is what you intend to do.
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Hobie
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Mikailoh

Back to the corner...and please put some clothes on...that photo is absolutuely making me sick!

Are you looking to start up where Larry left off yesterday?

I have no quarell with you.

I have no magic solution to the Iraq situation. I have only my opinion, and you know what they say about those.

So far today you have called me an a$$hole, not overly bright, and the essense of your sig line.

What did I say about you? Being rude and attacking me personally doesn't change the fact that I'm here to stay. So let's shake hands and try to be respectful of each others differing opinions.



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You just don't get it, do you?

Hobie, I don't care what your political leanings are. Regardless of what you think, divergent viewpoints are welcome here. Aks Kenny. Just don't necessarily expect anyone to jump up and down in agreement with you.

The problem is that so far you have opened your posts here by calling long-standing posters who are pretty well respected here loudmouths, followed by saying that we who support the war have blinders on and no understanding of where we are going.

To support these positions you post outdated bullsh!t you have evidently googled up and go 'oh, yeah, I can agree with that..let's post it!'.

I'm trying to get across to you that YOU are the one starting the personal attacks, bubba. And that is all you are likely to get unless the quality of what and how you post improves.

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Hobie
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I opened ONE post by calling a certain person a loudmouth. Yesterday I opened a post with a honest story of myself crying about the war and playing Bob Dylan. Did you read that thread?

My perception after yesterday was that I better get tough, because if i post something honest and open I get that rammed down my throat.

So for me it's like a lose-lose. If I post with an edge...I get criticized. If I post with honesty, i get criticized. I feel like I have a big old target painted on me.

So...Bubba....unless you and I want to get in the ring together and go for it let's just back the heck off.

BOTH of us. :smokin:
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Get off the cross... someone needs the wood. You opened a perfectly reasonable thread about biking, which I responded to in perfectly respectful tones.

I teased you in the bike thread based on what was going on here, and you came back with direct name calling, which I did not respond to, taking it light heartedly.

If you start your posts with insults, that is what you can expect to get back. Period.
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George K
Sep 8 2006, 06:46 AM
Hi Kathy. :wave:

Hi George, I like this avatar much better than the one smashing himself at the computer dest! :P
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Hobie
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Yeah...I opened that thread after your "well respected' friend called me a sissy and asked if I wore lacy panties. Is that your idea of respectable? And now I'm being called on the carpet for insults? I recieved so many insults yesterday, I thought that was standard operating procedure here. Now I see that it isn't the case, and I have agreed to rein it in a little.

I promise not to start any more posts with insults. Cross my heart.






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Good deal.
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John Jacob Jingoism Smith
Sep 8 2006, 08:34 AM
Hobie
Sep 8 2006, 07:43 AM

I feel that there are forum users who bully others to "comply or be cast out" with the attitudes here.


This may be true to an extent. Though it's pretty much a copycat attitude presentation from various Right wing pundits and bloggers around the country.
JJJS: I don't listen to talk radio, read newspapers or rightwing journals, or blogs or particular pundits. I sort of doubt that most of the conservatives here do either. Why? Because they tend to argue from principles, not spin. The liberals in America used to argue from principles as well until they shifted to the tactic of pandering to special interest groups seeking political power such as the environmentalists, the feminists, the socialists, the abortion lobby, the animal rights activists, the no nukes, the homosexuals, the Rainbow Coalition, ad infinitum.

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But the way I see it, their attitudes mostly alienate people who are around the center, who might otherwise swing a bit Right or Left. So if your goal is to swing people Left, just let them go on. They will bring more people Left of Center than you can.


It is always interesting that folks tend to think themselves at the center -- I suppose its a vestige of the egocentricity of the infantile consciousness. This is often skewed by perceptions if one lives on either coast, and disparages the folks in between as "Jesusland". My money is on the inbetween for a more accurate barometer of the American consciousness than Manhattan or Malibu.
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Hobie
Sep 8 2006, 08:38 AM
JJJ smith

Thanks. Your are totally correct. I will back off of my "war is wrong" soapbox. Hopefully I can find some solutions to post about instead of repeating "wrong, wrong, wrong."

Fair enough

Well, that rules out Hobie as being Rick's sockpuppet. :leaving:

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