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who wants the trash talk to stop
me 22 (46.8%)
not me 25 (53.2%)
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who wants the trash talk to stop; insulting people, etc.
Topic Started: Sep 7 2006, 08:04 PM (1,459 Views)
apple
one of the angels
myself..?

i;m beginning to think i'm sick of trash talk and that we could have an adult, unmoderated forum if posters would simply keep a lid on all the trash talk.. why it is thought essential to human discourse is beyond me.
it behooves me to behold
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JBryan
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I say let 'er rip tater chip (a Jollyism).

People should govern their passions ideally but we don't want that imposed from without.
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AlbertaCrude
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Apple wrote
 
i;m beginning to think i'm sick of trash talk and that we could have an adult, unmoderated forum if posters would simply keep a lid on all the trash talk..  why it is thought essential to human discourse is beyond me.


So what's your point?
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ivorythumper
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If attempts to prevail upon someone's sense of decency, civility, and public decorum don't work -- and I have tried that avenue -- there is no use, especially when the lawyerly retort is that there are no enforced rules against profanity. And, of course, that is a good point.
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OperaTenor
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I blew my vote - meant to vote "not me", but ended up nullifying. :doh:

My sense of freedom of unfettered speech overrides my disdain for having my life threatened.



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Dewey
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HOLY CARP!!!
It's infantile, regardless of who it's coming from, and regardless of whether it's the person that started it or the person responding to it, and when I see it I just figure the thread is ruined and I stop reading it. I wish that people here, who are obviously a cut above the person-on-the-street in terms of intelligence, could self-moderate when it comes to personal slurs. I wish they'd not go on personal attacks, and have the maturity to not respond in kind. But at the end of the day, I don't think the moderators should delete a post just becausethe poster is making an idiot of himself or herself by the use of language. If we were to prohibit posts that showed the poster to be an idiot for all other reasons, the forum would disappear overnight.

^_^

"By nature, i prefer brevity." - John Calvin, Institutes of the Christian Religion, p. 685.

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Mikhailoh
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I don't know.. I think we should leave it in place lest our beloved posters vent this rage on other drivers, cashiers and minor bureaucrats.

Think release valve on a pressure cooker. :tiki:
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kenny
HOLY CARP!!!
I have mixed feelings.
I don't "like" car accidents either, but I can't help but look. - So sue me.
I'm not sure how to vote since there is no choice for ambiguity.

This forum serves several purposes.
A place to vent is one of them.
Entertainment is another.

Sometimes a naughty word is the only one that can accurately communicate the emotion behind a point.
I certainly do not want to muzzle the ability to express yourself here.

I think this may come down to respecting diversity.

(I know, I know, brain dead liberal, no moral compass.)
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QuirtEvans
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Dewey
Sep 8 2006, 06:37 AM
It's infantile, regardless of who it's coming from, and regardless of whether it's the person that started it or the person responding to it, and when I see it I just figure the thread is ruined and I stop reading it. I wish that people here, who are obviously a cut above the person-on-the-street in terms of intelligence, could self-moderate when it comes to personal slurs. I wish they'd not go on personal attacks, and have the maturity to not respond in kind. But at the end of the day, I don't think the moderators should delete a post just becausethe poster is making an idiot of himself or herself by the use of language. If we were to prohibit posts that showed the poster to be an idiot for all other reasons, the forum would disappear overnight.

^_^

I do see your point, Dewey, but it aggravates me to watch the way certain posters are allowed to bellow all they want, and others get a finger shook in their face when they respond in kind.

Yesterday was a case in point. No one told AC (publicly, anyway) to knock it off when he started. The school marms only came out of the woodwork when I responded.

Sorry, but that doesn't work for me.
It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010.
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ny1911
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I would like to see people self moderate more. Insults don't make anyone's position more or less right.

Plus there are few poeple that I disagree with on every issue. So maintaining mutual respect among those that I choose to chat with seems like the right thing to do.

So live your life and live it well.
There's not much left of me to tell.
I just got back up each time I fell.
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justme
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HOLY CARP!!!
QuirtEvans
Sep 8 2006, 08:27 AM
Yesterday was a case in point. No one told AC (publicly, anyway) to knock it off when he started. The school marms only came out of the woodwork when I responded.

Sorry, but that doesn't work for me.

FWIW I, and I assume you were referring to me with your schoolmarm remark, came out of the woodwork when NY1911 alluded to the thread in another thread. THAT'S WHEN I CAME OUT OF THE WOODWORK. But, of course, it's difficult for a person like you, to see that.

I don't appreciate the schoolmarm remark. There are other people on this forum who happen to agree with me that the f word should be used less around here. It's offensive.


I remember cases where Larry would lose it and use it. He WOULD ALWAYS apologize for using it.

Oh, forget it. Conversing with you is a useless endeavor. You already have your thought patterns in place. So why bother? You're not worth it.
"Men sway more towards hussies." G-D3
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Aqua Letifer
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JBryan
Sep 7 2006, 08:13 PM
I say let 'er rip tater chip (a Jollyism).

People should govern their passions ideally but we don't want that imposed from without.

Yep.

And, I'm not offended if that's not the intent. I don't ******* mind one **** bit! :P
I cite irreconcilable differences.
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justme
Sep 8 2006, 09:04 AM
QuirtEvans
Sep 8 2006, 08:27 AM
Yesterday was a case in point.  No one told AC (publicly, anyway) to knock it off when he started.  The school marms only came out of the woodwork when I responded.

Sorry, but that doesn't work for me.

FWIW I, and I assume you were referring to me with your schoolmarm remark, came out of the woodwork when NY1911 alluded to the thread in another thread. THAT'S WHEN I CAME OUT OF THE WOODWORK. But, of course, it's difficult for a person like you, to see that.

I don't appreciate the schoolmarm remark. There are other people on this forum who happen to agree with me that the f word should be used less around here. It's offensive.


I remember cases where Larry would lose it and use it. He WOULD ALWAYS apologize for using it.

Oh, forget it. Conversing with you is a useless endeavor. You already have your thought patterns in place. So why bother? You're not worth it.

edit -- as justme said, why bother? She has her view, I have mine. And hers is just as likely to change as mine is.
It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010.
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Dewey
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HOLY CARP!!!
QuirtEvans
Sep 8 2006, 04:27 AM
I do see your point, Dewey, but it aggravates me to watch the way certain posters are allowed to bellow all they want, and others get a finger shook in their face when they respond in kind.

Yesterday was a case in point. No one told AC (publicly, anyway) to knock it off when he started. The school marms only came out of the woodwork when I responded.

Sorry, but that doesn't work for me.

For starters, I hope we're not talking strictly the use of profanity here. I think every word under the sun has its appropriate time and place, and I'm far less bothered by profanity than I am by vulgarity. I consider taking vicious, direct personal attacks on someone else to be vulgar, and far worse than simple choice of vocabulary.

As far as it being hard to accept, I agree. It's very difficult to not respond in kind when someone makes an attack like that. It's hard for me, too. Lots of times I haven't lived up to my own idea of the right course of action in a case like that. It just boils my blood to think about letting some slam against me go unanswered, because that will be seen as a sign of weakness, or that the other person is really right and I'm wrong. It goes aginst my internal sense of fairness.

But it's still wrong to give in to, no matter how hard it is to do and no matter how many times I'll fail to do so. So, I'll keep trying to live up to that. I hope other people do, too.
"By nature, i prefer brevity." - John Calvin, Institutes of the Christian Religion, p. 685.

"Never waste your time trying to explain yourself to people who are committed to misunderstanding you." - Anonymous

"Oh sure, every once in a while a turd floated by, but other than that it was just fine." - Joe A., 2011

I'll answer your other comments later, but my primary priority for the rest of the evening is to get drunk." - Klaus, 12/31/14
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kenny
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Dewey
Sep 8 2006, 07:02 AM
It just boils my blood to think about letting some slam against me go unanswered, because that will be seen as a sign of weakness, or that the other person is really right and I'm wrong.

Wrong
(Well, the lower quality people may see it this way, but we aim to rise above that.)

No longer needing to "correct" misinformation about one’s self can be liberating.

I first started trying it with Gryphon.

Readers here are not dumb; they can connect the dots.
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justme
Sep 8 2006, 06:04 AM
FWIW I, and I assume you were referring to me with your schoolmarm remark, came out of the woodwork when NY1911 alluded to the thread in another thread. THAT'S WHEN I CAME OUT OF THE WOODWORK. But, of course, it's difficult for a person like you, to see that.

I'm having trouble following this and I can't recall this exactly, but I hope *I* haven't offended anyone.
So live your life and live it well.
There's not much left of me to tell.
I just got back up each time I fell.
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QuirtEvans
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Dewey
Sep 8 2006, 10:02 AM
QuirtEvans
Sep 8 2006, 04:27 AM
I do see your point, Dewey, but it aggravates me to watch the way certain posters are allowed to bellow all they want, and others get a finger shook in their face when they respond in kind.

Yesterday was a case in point.  No one told AC (publicly, anyway) to knock it off when he started.  The school marms only came out of the woodwork when I responded.

Sorry, but that doesn't work for me.

For starters, I hope we're not talking strictly the use of profanity here. I think every word under the sun has its appropriate time and place, and I'm far less bothered by profanity than I am by vulgarity. I consider taking vicious, direct personal attacks on someone else to be vulgar, and far worse than simple choice of vocabulary.

As far as it being hard to accept, I agree. It's very difficult to not respond in kind when someone makes an attack like that. It's hard for me, too. Lots of times I haven't lived up to my own idea of the right course of action in a case like that. It just boils my blood to think about letting some slam against me go unanswered, because that will be seen as a sign of weakness, or that the other person is really right and I'm wrong. It goes aginst my internal sense of fairness.

But it's still wrong to give in to, no matter how hard it is to do and no matter how many times I'll fail to do so. So, I'll keep trying to live up to that. I hope other people do, too.

Absolutely no sarcasm intended here:

You're right. And, to the extent that you are more successful at it than I am (and you are), you're probably a better person than I am.

It probably says something about me that, if I have to choose between someone thinking I am a jerk or someone thinking that I can be taken advantage of, I'd choose the jerk, every time.

As you say, something on which both of us can work to improve. Me, more than you.

It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010.
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Jane D'Oh
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Apple, before I vote, can I ask... Are you talking about banning all use of swear words (with or without asterisks) or are you talking about personal insults (with or without swear words) - because I'd vote different ways depending...

Thanks.
Pfft.
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Dewey
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As you say, something on which both of us can work to improve. Me, more than you.


Not necessarily. You don't know how much I swear and yell at the monitor, or how many computers I've bludgeoned to death... or, more seriously, how many posts I've typed in anger, read a few times on my screen for personal pleasure, and then just deleted before posting. :P

In the end, those kind of posts rarely accomplish what we think they will. They usually just show how, in fact, we really can be taken advantage of, by allowing other people's words and thoughts to control what we know is right and wrong.
"By nature, i prefer brevity." - John Calvin, Institutes of the Christian Religion, p. 685.

"Never waste your time trying to explain yourself to people who are committed to misunderstanding you." - Anonymous

"Oh sure, every once in a while a turd floated by, but other than that it was just fine." - Joe A., 2011

I'll answer your other comments later, but my primary priority for the rest of the evening is to get drunk." - Klaus, 12/31/14
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kenny
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QuirtEvans
Sep 8 2006, 08:19 AM
. . . if I have to choose between someone thinking I am a jerk or someone thinking that I can be taken advantage of . . .

There are more than two possibilities.
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justme
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ny1911
Sep 8 2006, 11:58 AM
justme
Sep 8 2006, 06:04 AM
FWIW I, and I assume you were referring to me with your schoolmarm remark, came out of the woodwork when NY1911 alluded to the thread in another thread. THAT'S WHEN I CAME OUT OF THE WOODWORK. But, of course, it's difficult for a person like you, to see that.

I'm having trouble following this and I can't recall this exactly, but I hope *I* haven't offended anyone.

NY,

In the "Should Iran get nudes" thread you said

"I think if the back of the bus thread continues much longer, it will get explained over there."

Your comment was quite innocent and simply peaked my interest. No harm, no foul.

I simply wanted Quirt to realize that I wasn't "after" him.

I'm sorry if I implied anything else.
"Men sway more towards hussies." G-D3
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QuirtEvans
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Following Dewey's approach for at least a few minutes, let me just say, please don't interpret my silence as a concession.
It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010.
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QuirtEvans
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Here's what a Sports Illustrated columnist had to say today about the invective he found in his e-mail:

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This is the time of year I love. The fans of two teams liked my picks, the ones I picked for the Super Bowl, naturally, although I've been occasionally ripped by those as well. Everyone else is hollering for blood, and that's what makes it fun, to see who can out-nasty whom.

One trend I notice is that when hard-core pornography terms are used, they get through now. They didn't use to. I like this current trend. It's like when you've been on hold for half an hour, trying to reach some firm that's outsourcing stuff to Indonesia or Nepal, and you finally lose it when you reach someone, and nothing but four-letter words are left to you, and you hear the intake of breath, and then you're talking to Mr. Click.

Except that my e-mailers don't get that kind of treatment. Genuine anger is allowed to filter through, no matter what kind of language it's couched in. I like that. It's American. I mean I'm not trying to cater to the lewd and obscene; it's just that whatever language you use, remember that I've heard, and probably used, worse.
It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010.
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QuirtEvans
Sep 8 2006, 09:57 AM
Following Dewey's approach for at least a few minutes, let me just say, please don't interpret my silence as a concession.

Looks like that court ordered anger management program is finally working.

:lol:

:hug:
The dogma lives loudly within me.
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