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How Horrible is WAR?; don't support it
Topic Started: Sep 7 2006, 06:49 AM (845 Views)
LWpianistin
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HOLY CARP!!!
Oh. Well...for some reason I didn't know about that.

I still think it doesn't matter where it happens.


War is horrible, but at times necessary. The End.
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Kincaid
Sep 7 2006, 12:14 PM
I would think there is just no way to innoculate future Marines from the pussification of boys in the public schools and general society. Some of it is bound to rub off on even the hardest of jarheads.

Here's a wild theory for you....

In Europe, some of the inroads of Islam among the native population is due to the feminization of the European male.

Wouldn't that be a hoot?...
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LWpianistin
Sep 7 2006, 01:30 PM
The last time before 9-11 was 1812 (I think). It doesn't matter where the act occurs. The problem is that it occurred in the first place.

And the time before that was in 1979 - the taking of the American Embassy in Teheran. That IS American soil.

That was in Iran, remember?
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Hobie
Sep 7 2006, 07:31 AM
There are terrible dictators all over the place killing people.  Rwanda, Libya, Colombia, I could go on.  How come we aren't over in those countries right now?

I hate war. I HATE war. But I recognize its occasional necessity, while simultaneously acknowledging its evils. When justifiable, it is at best the less evil of two options - but despite its problems, that still occasionally means it's the best possible option.

That said, I've never understood the logic of this alleged argument against war, and it seems to come up all the time. To argue that because there are numerous threats and injustices that we can't or don't do anything about invalidates the correctness of fighting others, makes no logical sense. A war is justifiable, or not, on its own merits, not on how many other problems there may be, and whether anything is done about them. We'll never save every patient admitted to a hospital, but I don't see that as an excuse to close them all tomorrow and stop all medical research.
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Hobie
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So you think that the war in Iraq somethng you support?

I do not really follow your logic.

Are you saying that the current state of the world is like the medical profession and the war is like medical research?

What are you saying? I get the part that you see the war as a necessary evil. I agree about the evil part, but not the necessary part.
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Hobie
Sep 7 2006, 12:50 PM
Dewey

So you think that the war in Iraq somethng you support?

I do not really follow your logic.

Are you saying that the current state of the world is like the medical profession and the war is like medical research?

What are you saying? I get the part that you see the war as a necessary evil. I agree about the evil part, but not the necessary part.

Actually yes, the war in Iraq is something that I support, but that's a different issue, and irrelevant to my point, which is more general than any specific war. The point, as I thought I made pretty clear, is that the argument that a war is wrong or unjust because there are other equally unjust or evil situations elsewhere in the world that we can't or don't act upon - is illogical. The core of this argument is that until we have the means and the will to right all wrongs equally and simultaneously, that we have no moral authority to try to right any wrongs.

I refuse to accept that argument. I refuse to accept it in regard to fighting disease. I refuse to accept it in regard to fighting poverty. I refuse to accept it in regard to social injustice. And I refuse to accept it in regard to national defense. The argument, when actually considered, holds up no better than does wet toilet paper. People may very well be able to make reasonable arguments against war, both specifically and generally, but this isn't one of them.
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Hobie
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OK, I see now, and I have to agree with you. It's a variation of the "two wrongs don't make a right" argument.

I still say let's get our troops out of harms way. We are going nowhere fast in Iraq.

What do Americans know about Arab culture? Enough to cram a democracy down the throats of religious enemies that have been warring for thousands of years?

I say we're misguided and paying for it with the lives of Americans.

That is why I am so worked up.
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Jolly
Sep 7 2006, 02:55 PM

In Europe, some of the inroads of Islam among the native population is due to the feminization of the European male.

It's not a purse, IT'S EUROPEAN!
What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket?
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Sep 7 2006, 12:09 PM
If we were "rushing to war" why did it take 14 months to begin the invasion?

Poeple certainly have short memories.

Because Cheney, Rove and Rummey had to decide whether the WMD lie or the 9/11 connection lie was going to play better with the American public.

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Let it be said by our children's children that when we were tested we refused to let this journey end, that we did not turn back nor did we falter; and with eyes fixed on the horizon and God's grace upon us, we carried forth that great gift of freedom and delivered it safely to future generations.
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Sep 7 2006, 08:50 PM
JBryan
Sep 7 2006, 12:09 PM
If we were "rushing to war" why did it take 14 months to begin the invasion?

Poeple certainly have short memories.

Because Cheney, Rove and Rummey had to decide whether the WMD lie or the 9/11 connection lie was going to play better with the American public.

jf

It took politicians 14 months to figure out the best lie? It normally takes them about 14 seconds.

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Sorry I'm late to the thread. I haven't read all the posts, but Hobie...all I have to say in response to:

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If a war can't bring you to tears, what will?


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