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How Horrible is WAR?; don't support it
Topic Started: Sep 7 2006, 06:49 AM (847 Views)
Larry
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Mmmmmmm, pie!
In other words Hobie, your Bob Dylan song playing crying on your sleeve emotionally retarded seizure wasn't motivated by your crippled emotions at all, but was a mask to cover your political and ideological agenda.

One that is totally wrong, by the way.
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ny1911
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Hobie
Sep 7 2006, 08:07 AM
Yes we made a hasty decision against the wishes of the UN, and based upon faulty intelligence. That's why rushing to war was a poor decision.

Unless I am mistaken, the UN made a resolution that threatened military force if Iraq did not comply. Iraq did not comply and we proceeded with miliary force when the UN stepped back and prepared to draw another line in the sand.
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Hobie
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Larry

Because there have been no attacks on American soil does not mean we are safer.

That is not a logical cause-effect relationship. Using that logic, we were very safe during the cold war even as USSR had 20,000 nukes pointed right at us.

I think a nation in a state of war is far more UNSAFE than a nation at peace.

But I do not have the answer, our entire nation is divided over this issue. The bitterness and dividedness of the people in the US right now is dangerous.

Back to my original point....I do not feel like we are in touch with the horror we discuss daily. Crying is nothing to be ashamed of, and it certainly is not a sign of weakness.

War is sad. I feel sad when I think about it. Period.



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Hobie
Sep 7 2006, 08:18 AM
Larry

Because there have been no attacks on American soil does not mean we are safer.

That is not a logical cause-effect relationship. Using that logic, we were very safe during the cold war even as USSR had 20,000 nukes pointed right at us.

I think a nation in a state of war is far more UNSAFE than a nation at peace.

But I do not have the answer, our entire nation is divided over this issue. The bitterness and dividedness of the people in the US right now is dangerous.

Back to my original point....I do not feel like we are in touch with the horror we discuss daily. Crying is nothing to be ashamed of, and it certainly is not a sign of weakness.

War is sad. I feel sad when I think about it. Period.

Someone posted a very interesting article a few weeks ago about just how dangerous it is for our soldiers over there. It turns out they're only about twice as likely to die over there as the average american citizen of that same age group is to die over here (of traffic fatalities or random violence or what have you). On those terms, we're not talking about horror on the level of WWI or WWII or Viet Nam.
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Hobie
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"Great Undertakings"

War?

To quote Yoda, "Great Warrior? Hmmm? War not make one great."

I do not see the war as a great undertaking. Quite the contrary.
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Hobie
Sep 7 2006, 08:18 AM

I think a nation in a state of war is far more UNSAFE than a nation at peace.


Kuwait might disagree. But there is a difference between safety (which is a statistical topic) and perception of safety (which is an emotional topic).

For all intents and purposes, your chance of being killed in a terrorist attack in the US before 9/11 was about zero. It is still about zero. So saying we are less safe is probably pointless since we face far greater threats to our well-being on a daily basis.

Obesity kills as many americans as all of the 9/11 attacks every 4 days. Now *that* is scary.
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Larry
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Yes. And we need to initiate a War On Stupidity....
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Hobie
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I support the war on stupidity, Larry. Finally you and I agree on something.
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Larry
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Good.

Now - go get yourself a history book, and read.
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Hobie
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Will do, Larry.

Here's some that may help your emotional constipation:

Stephen Crane "The Red Badge of Courage"
Rebecca West "The Return of the Soldier"
Erich Remarque "All Quiet on the Western Front"
Joseph Heller "Catch 22"
Ron Kovik "Born on the 4th of July"
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Hobie
Sep 7 2006, 12:39 PM
I support the war on stupidity, Larry. Finally you and I agree on something.

The war on stupidity? I should surrender immediately if I were you, you're surrounded and hopelessly outgunned.
What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket?
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Kincaid
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First, watch Full Metal Jacket. Hoo-rah!
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John D'Oh
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Hobie
Sep 7 2006, 12:55 PM
Will do, Larry.

Here's some that may help your emotional constipation:

Stephen Crane "The Red Badge of Courage"
Rebecca West "The Return of the Soldier"
Erich Remarque "All Quiet on the Western Front"
Joseph Heller "Catch 22"
Ron Kovik "Born on the 4th of July"

Why not get a non-fiction book? You might learn that there are indeed worse things than war.
What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket?
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ny1911
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Non fiction...

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Jolly
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Kincaid
Sep 7 2006, 11:06 AM
First, watch Full Metal Jacket. Hoo-rah!

Funny you should mention it....I'm currently reading a book that consists of interviews with former Marine DI's, from WWII to present day.

R. Lee has his own chapter, and describes his part as both technical advisor and actor in the movie. You'd be amazed at some of the stuff he talked Kubrik out of, that Stanley wanted simply for dramatic effect.
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Kincaid
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What's the name of the book? I'd like to check that out.
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Jolly
Sep 7 2006, 09:48 AM
Kincaid
Sep 7 2006, 11:06 AM
First, watch Full Metal Jacket.  Hoo-rah!

Funny you should mention it....I'm currently reading a book that consists of interviews with former Marine DI's, from WWII to present day.

R. Lee has his own chapter, and describes his part as both technical advisor and actor in the movie. You'd be amazed at some of the stuff he talked Kubrik out of, that Stanley wanted simply for dramatic effect.

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Well at least they kept the good bits.

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I personally think war is necessary to the human condition. It was, is, and will always be with us. The degree of damage done will change, but war will always be with us - so we have to accept it and adapt.
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Mark
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The Dogs of War

Dogs of war and men of hate
With no cause, we don't discriminate
Discovery is to be disowned
Our currency is flesh and bone
Hell opened up and put on sale
Gather 'round and haggle
For hard cash, we will lie and deceive
Even our masters don't know the web we weave
One world, it's a battleground
One world, and we will smash it down
One world ... One world
Invisible transfers, long distance calls,
Hollow laughter in marble halls
Steps have been taken, a silent uproar
Has unleashed the dogs of war
You can't stop what has begun
Signed, sealed, they deliver oblivion
We all have a dark side, to say the least
And dealing in death is the nature of the beast
One world, it's a battleground
One world, and we will smash it down
One world ... One world
The dogs of war don't negotiate
The dogs of war won't capitulate,
They will take and you will give,
And you must die so that they may live
You can knock at any door,
But wherever you go, you know they've been there before
Well winners can lose and things can get strained
But whatever you change, you know the dogs remain.
One world, it's a battleground
One world, and we will smash it down
One world ... One world


War is a necessary evil. End of discussion.
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Jolly
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Geaux Tigers!
Kincaid
Sep 7 2006, 11:51 AM
What's the name of the book?  I'd like to check that out.

The Few and The Proud by Larry Smith

An interesting observation by most of the old-timers...today's Marine is much tougher physically than Marines of days gone by, but they feel that in days past Marines were mentally tougher. There is some disagreement as to why, but most felt it was because life was a bit tougher overall...
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Kincaid
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I would think there is just no way to innoculate future Marines from the pussification of boys in the public schools and general society. Some of it is bound to rub off on even the hardest of jarheads.
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Mikhailoh
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Crash!!! You ARE capable of profound posts!!!!!

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LWpianistin
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Hobie, there can be worse things than war. There ARE worse things than war.

Larry ( I think it was Larry),

People not attacking American soil doesn't have much to do with it. That doesn't make us safer. The last time before 9-11 was 1812 (I think). It doesn't matter where the act occurs. The problem is that it occurred in the first place.

In terms of history and war, 5 years is nothing.


And how are you today?
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LWpianistin
Sep 7 2006, 10:30 AM

People not attacking American soil doesn't have much to do with it. That doesn't make us safer. The last time before 9-11 was 1812 (I think). It doesn't matter where the act occurs. The problem is that it occurred in the first place.

In terms of history and war, 5 years is nothing.

The World Trade Center bombing was the February 26, 1993 terrorist attack in the garage of the New York City World Trade Center. A car bomb was detonated by Islamist terrorists in the underground parking garage below Tower One. It killed six, injured over 1,000, and presaged the September 11, 2001 attacks on the same buildings.

from wikipedia...
So live your life and live it well.
There's not much left of me to tell.
I just got back up each time I fell.
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