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| How Horrible is WAR?; don't support it | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Sep 7 2006, 06:49 AM (846 Views) | |
| Hobie | Sep 7 2006, 06:49 AM Post #1 |
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I need to get something off my chest. I have never been in a war, but I do read books and play music that was written about war. The saddness contained in these works is unbelievable. I cannot imagine how heinous it must be. As we sit here and debate from the comfort of our computer chairs the right and wrong of it, there are people suffereng and dying. This morning I sat down at my piano played Bob Dylan's "A hard Rain a-gonna Fall" and I found myself crying halfway through. I got so mad at everyone who supports George W. and the whole ridiculous tangled-up mess we're in right now. I grieve with all of my might for the men and women of both sides over there. In case you were wondering here is the passage that did me in: Oh what did you see, my blue-eyed son? Oh, what did you see, my darling young one? I saw a new born baby with wild wolves all around it I saw a highway of diamonds with nobody on it I saw a black branch with blood that kept drippin' I saw a room full of men with their hammers a-bleedin' I saw a white ladder all covered with water I sa ten thousand talkers whose tongues are all broken I saw guns and sharp swords in the hands of young children An its a hard...and its a hard...its a hard...its a hard Its a hard rains a gonna fall |
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| Radu | Sep 7 2006, 06:52 AM Post #2 |
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No , you don't ! |
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| Jolly | Sep 7 2006, 06:53 AM Post #3 |
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Sometimes there are things more awful than war. I think most Warsaw citizens could have attested to that fact in 1946. |
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| Hobie | Sep 7 2006, 06:55 AM Post #4 |
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Jolly have you ever been in a war? |
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| Larry | Sep 7 2006, 07:04 AM Post #5 |
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Mmmmmmm, pie!
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Have you? I believe you stated you haven't at the beginning of the thread. So don't try pulling that "you haven't been there so you can't speak" crap. I have never understood why so many emotionally retarded people play piano. Reading your whining post with your description of how you played a Dylan song and started crying is one of the best examples of touchy feely emotionally retarded ninnies I've seen in awhile. By all means, get it off your chest. Then get out of the way so people with more rational capacities can continue protecting your sorry ass. |
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| John Jacob Jingoism Smith | Sep 7 2006, 07:06 AM Post #6 |
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I agree that war is about the worst thing I can imagine. It's one type of hell on earth. I think Bush's judgement was wrong. And I don't like him and his boys anyway. He feels like the worst president in my lifetime, and I am old. I grieve as well, for all the pain and torment and loss. But here we are, stuck in it. What is the right way to end it?? |
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Jingoism You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do. Anne Lamott | |
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| ny1911 | Sep 7 2006, 07:19 AM Post #7 |
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Some 600,000 iraqi civilians were executed under Saddam's regime, or roughly 75 per day. We've been in Iraq about 1000 days with a civilian body count of ~45,000. Add coalition troops into the mix and you might get up to 50/day. War can be righteous, no matter how horrible it is. |
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| Hobie | Sep 7 2006, 07:21 AM Post #8 |
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Ahhh The legend responds Too bad you've repressed your emotions to the point of being immune to something like war and human suffering. You go right on thinking.."America...F**k Yeah! Out to save the Mother f**king world, yeah!" What's the matter, did daddy spank you when you cried? You know Larry, I can dish it out as well as take it. When I read your posts I think what a misguided idiot. You know it all, don't you? It's hard to learn anything when you already have everything figured out. We all should bow down to you and just agree with all you write just because you sound so tough and mean when you post. The world according to Larry, right? I guess since I cried that means I am a touchy-feely liberal to be denigrated. You may do well to seek some counseling because if war doesn't touch your heart you've got issues. Go beat your chest and strut somewhere else, because you're wasting your time with me. |
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| ny1911 | Sep 7 2006, 07:21 AM Post #9 |
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So live your life and live it well. There's not much left of me to tell. I just got back up each time I fell. | |
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| Larry | Sep 7 2006, 07:30 AM Post #10 |
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Mmmmmmm, pie!
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Of course you do. Most rational thought would escape you. Most emotionally retarded sissies - a condition you clearly showed you suffer from - react the same way when faced with rational thought. Give it your best shot, scooter. Warnings by a sissy about how "tough" they are doesn't get me all that worked up. |
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| Hobie | Sep 7 2006, 07:31 AM Post #11 |
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JJJ Smith Glad to hear I'm not the only one who feels sorrow about the war. I don't know how to end it. NY1191 I read about the genocide that happened. There are terrible dictators all over the place killing people. Rwanda, Libya, Colombia, I could go on. How come we aren't over in those countries right now? |
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| Phlebas | Sep 7 2006, 07:33 AM Post #12 |
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New slogan for the war: "Killing 25 fewer people per day since 2003!!" |
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Random FML: Today, I was fired by my boss in front of my coworkers. It would have been nice if I could have left the building before they started celebrating. FML The founding of the bulk of the world's nation states post 1914 is based on self-defined nationalisms. The bulk of those national movements involve territory that was ethnically mixed. The foundation of many of those nation states involved population movements in the aftermath. When the only one that is repeatedly held up as unjust and unjustifiable is the Zionist project, the term anti-semitism may very well be appropriate. - P*D | |
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| Hobie | Sep 7 2006, 07:35 AM Post #13 |
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Larry we must have posted at the same time... My point was that crying about the war should be viewed as a OK thing to do. If a war can't bring you to tears, what will? Or maybe crying is a sign of weakness to you. Not to me, though. We would do well to remember the suffering and torment. Because all I see here are people posting their opinions about the war like it was a Harry Potter novel...something far removed from their reality. Wake up. |
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| Larry | Sep 7 2006, 07:44 AM Post #14 |
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You wake up. For example - there are areas around the world where people are being killed by the thousands and no one is stepping in to stop them. By not going to war with these killers, by leaving them alone - are the numbers being killed dropping? Being a pollyanna is all well and good, but life has a reality - and the reality is that there are people in this world who are not going to subscribe to your touchy feely emotions on your sleeve Bob Dylan song crying. They are going to go out and kill people. Someone has to stop them. Are you not capable of understanding that, or do you simply enjoy putting salve on your crippled emotions by whining and placing the blame on those who go out to stop them? |
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| Horace | Sep 7 2006, 07:48 AM Post #15 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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I've always had a vague notion that some of our posters are sorry they never had a chance to participate in a war. I also think that if they'd gotten their wish, their personalities this day would be different. Perhaps no less conservative politically, but probably less combative. |
| As a good person, I implore you to do as I, a good person, do. Be good. Do NOT be bad. If you see bad, end bad. End it in yourself, and end it in others. By any means necessary, the good must conquer the bad. Good people know this. Do you know this? Are you good? | |
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| Larry | Sep 7 2006, 07:56 AM Post #16 |
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If you're referring to me, you'd be wrong. I get combative when faced with stupidity. |
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| Mikhailoh | Sep 7 2006, 07:58 AM Post #17 |
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Hobie, None of us are enjoying the fact that our troops are in harm's way. We're all sad about it, but that is not what your post was about. Your post went on to criticize the administration AND CONGRESS who deemed this necessary and advisable, therefore stating it was not he right thing to do. You can't do that then run and hide behind 'I was only expressing my sadness'. |
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| Hobie | Sep 7 2006, 08:01 AM Post #18 |
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Larry If you think that there is an army, a man, a nation, or any group that is capable of ferreting out all of the evil people and stopping them, you are wrong about that. Do we really need a "war that never ends?" You saying there are people out there who want to kill us and need to be stopped is akin to saying, "There are diseases out there that are trying to kill us...they need to be stopped" Yes we will try to develop vaccines/medicines the same as we will try to stop terrorists. But the war in Iraq appears to be a endless drain of our resouces. And a tragic waste of life. When will America conclude that we are no safer today than we were before 911? The war in Iraq isn't making us safer. |
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| apple | Sep 7 2006, 08:02 AM Post #19 |
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larry, may i take a moment to say that it would be really nice to hear your opinions without all the vindictive baggage and name calling. You are profoundly intelligent and have many things to say. I know name calling, and bad words and all are allowed here (i guess) but if you were my son, i'd make you sit in the corner and eat soap. maybe you forget there are ladies in this forum (not that i am one). fondly, apple |
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| JBryan | Sep 7 2006, 08:04 AM Post #20 |
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I am the grey one
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He would probably like soap. |
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"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it". Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody. Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore. From The Lion in Winter. | |
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| Larry | Sep 7 2006, 08:06 AM Post #21 |
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Mmmmmmm, pie!
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Pure Koolaid drinking hogwash. Tell me again - how many times have we been attacked on US soil in the last 5 years? |
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| ny1911 | Sep 7 2006, 08:07 AM Post #22 |
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I thought your point was about how bad war was. What I described was an effect, not a cause of the Iraq war. It's hard to argue for consistency in policy that is blind to interest priorities. There just aren't enough dollars or troops to go around. I believe the war with Iraq is part of a much greater strategy that isn't captured in the political sniping that has become background noise. |
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| Hobie | Sep 7 2006, 08:07 AM Post #23 |
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Mikailoh Yes we made a hasty decision against the wishes of the UN, and based upon faulty intelligence. That's why rushing to war was a poor decision. And to continue with tangled mess just makes it harder and harder to leave. Like I said, this is looking more and more like a Vietnam. At the time, the US government felt that Vietnam was such a communist threat that we needed to fight against it. Look at the good it did us and how wrong we were about out national security being threatened by them. Iraq. I do not see us out of there anytime soon. Are we actually making the world a safer place by this global war on terror? |
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| JBryan | Sep 7 2006, 08:09 AM Post #24 |
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If we were "rushing to war" why did it take 14 months to begin the invasion? Poeple certainly have short memories. |
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"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it". Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody. Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore. From The Lion in Winter. | |
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| Mikhailoh | Sep 7 2006, 08:09 AM Post #25 |
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What folks of your viewpoint, Hobie, never seem to understand is that great undertakings are always fraught with risk.. always. |
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