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| ***musical princess*** | Sep 6 2006, 03:26 AM Post #1 |
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... other than, it's about bloody time. ... x |
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| Daniel\ | Sep 6 2006, 03:36 AM Post #2 |
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Another year of him. |
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| ***musical princess*** | Sep 6 2006, 03:39 AM Post #3 |
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Better than another 10. x |
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| Daniel\ | Sep 6 2006, 03:43 AM Post #4 |
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| Axtremus | Sep 6 2006, 04:14 AM Post #5 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Can't say if his policies have been good for the Brits (that's for the Brits to decide), but I respect Blair's intellect -- I have no doubt that the PM is very sharp. Hope you Brits get a better PM after Blair.
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| Phlebas | Sep 6 2006, 04:17 AM Post #6 |
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Bull-Carp
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Who do you think his successor will be. |
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Random FML: Today, I was fired by my boss in front of my coworkers. It would have been nice if I could have left the building before they started celebrating. FML The founding of the bulk of the world's nation states post 1914 is based on self-defined nationalisms. The bulk of those national movements involve territory that was ethnically mixed. The foundation of many of those nation states involved population movements in the aftermath. When the only one that is repeatedly held up as unjust and unjustifiable is the Zionist project, the term anti-semitism may very well be appropriate. - P*D | |
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| ny1911 | Sep 6 2006, 04:26 AM Post #7 |
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I thought he was a pretty good guy. Different perspectives I guess. |
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So live your life and live it well. There's not much left of me to tell. I just got back up each time I fell. | |
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| The 89th Key | Sep 6 2006, 09:10 AM Post #8 |
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His speeches are some of the best you'll ever hear (or read as I would read them online later). In fact, this one here might be one of the best speeches I've ever read. I don't know what his internal policies are for the UK, but as far as how he's stood with the USA, stood up for what's right, been "bloody" intelligent, a great communicator, etc...I'm going to miss having him over there as an ally. I very much respect the man from what I know. |
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| kenny | Sep 6 2006, 09:12 AM Post #9 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Blair spoke well - much like our president. |
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| ***musical princess*** | Sep 6 2006, 09:29 AM Post #10 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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I guess it depends where you stand in society. Some of my friends have benefited enormously while others including myself have been so unjustly orverlooked and peenalised mearly because: 1) MY parents are still maried. 2) My parents worked DAMN hard to get where they are today. This is just with regard to my personal situation. There are alot of other families out there who have had a harder time because of Blair's 'Policies' but then again... there alot of 'working class' people who have benefitted greatly from this man. I guess it just depends where you stand. Personally, i would love to see a new conservative party get power. x |
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| The 89th Key | Sep 6 2006, 09:31 AM Post #11 |
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MP...I'm curious, how has your family been penalised because they're married?
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| ***musical princess*** | Sep 6 2006, 09:38 AM Post #12 |
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I'll explain by example. I have a friend, J. His parents split up when he was 7 and he lives with hismother. His father earns more than my mother and father combined. Every month, J gets £42 under the Labour government scheme, EMA, to attend school. This money is supposed to be spent on things for school - bus passes, books, etc. J, however, blows all £42 of this money every month on beer. He gets almost £250 allowance from his father every month yet because he lives at his mother residence, Labour government disregardes anything his father owns and basis everything on his mother's salary which is notably less (she is a librarian). On top of this, J will get nearly £2,000 every year that he attends university and all his tuition fees will be paid for, even though his father could comfortably send him through uni 10 times over. Now, don't get my wrong, for families who need this extra help,i fully understand. But my parents work their asses off to get what they earn. My friend Laura and I worked it out. If our parents got divorced, under a Labour government, we would financially be ALOT better off. It is absolutely ridiculous. x |
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| Jolly | Sep 6 2006, 09:44 AM Post #13 |
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Actually, the same happens here. I know several couple who have divorced on paper before their children start college...Mom takes the house, which doesn't count against you. Dad gets a mailbox address, but keeps sleeping in the same bed. Financial aid is figured on mom's salary, which is usualy smaller (which is about the only way this works, one partner's salary must be small enough to qualify for the goodies). The kids usually qualify for Pell grants and on-campus subsidized do-nothing jobs, on top of any scholarships. |
| The main obstacle to a stable and just world order is the United States.- George Soros | |
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| Aqua Letifer | Sep 6 2006, 09:53 AM Post #14 |
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Sounds like smart parents, Jolly. Unmet need (the amount a child owes college to attend after loans, family loans, scholarships, financial aid, scholarships, work, etc.) is growing higher for poor families every year. I personally don't care about the ones who are mooching off of the system because I know that the majority of the cases are the other way; kids need more money to attend college and don't get it. Yes, I can prove that. |
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| ***musical princess*** | Sep 6 2006, 10:03 AM Post #15 |
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Yes Aqua... fair enough. But don't you think it is absolutely scandolous that parents are having to divorce, just for their children to get these benefits? What the hell is the world coming to. x |
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| The 89th Key | Sep 6 2006, 11:58 AM Post #16 |
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It's definitely unethical and scandalous, but at the same time...there are things far worse than playing the system in order to get funding for college. I wouldn't do it, but that's just me... Secondly, Aqua right...or at least hints at it. The % increase in college tuition is climbing way faster than inflation/salaries. It's becoming harder and harder to get into school. I, of course, support a drastic change in funding for schools. Not only would I put a limit on some of the schools regarding their increases of price, but I would also revise the requirements that let you qualify. It would be based on academic merit alone (not skin color), and it would also be cross-referenced with available funds with a more detailed review process then we have today - that way, people wouldn't be able to cheat the system the way they do now. |
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| ***musical princess*** | Sep 6 2006, 12:02 PM Post #17 |
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That's another thing that pisses me off about Labour. They support this whole,'Everyone should go to university'. No, everyone should not go to uni. A society cannot function with only doctors and lawyers. Who will clean public toilets? Who will collect refuge bins? Yeah, they're not glamorous jobs but someone has to do them in order for things to keep going! Even people like plumbers and electricians are in a drastic shortage because hardly anyone is going into apprenticeships when Labour is offering them a 'better hope for the future' if they go to uni. Sorry, but what a sh*t way to run a county. (Heh, can you tell i'm conservative? )x |
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| Aqua Letifer | Sep 6 2006, 12:08 PM Post #18 |
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Sort of. You're supposing that in this instance, they're divorcing because they actually need the extra money they'd be given? Well, it's a bit depressing sure, but for me, I wouldn't let government define my relationship with another person. If I had to divorce my wife to put our kid through college, I'd just ask where to sign the forms. There are far more horrible fates that could befall a person. |
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| Aqua Letifer | Sep 6 2006, 12:10 PM Post #19 |
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Just so long as it's not you, huh? Funny how you never hear this argument from the people who are actually doing the sh!t-shoveling. Yes, EVERYONE should have an education. |
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| ***musical princess*** | Sep 6 2006, 12:12 PM Post #20 |
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Maybe so, but could never do it. Marriage means to much to me. I would find another way to get the money. x |
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| ***musical princess*** | Sep 6 2006, 12:14 PM Post #21 |
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So Aqua, how would you handle it when EVERYONE wants the good jobs? The well paid jobs? The jobs with the perks and the pretty offices and the benefits? If you want everyone to be educated, you'll have to find a way to accomodate their educated needs... x |
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| ***musical princess*** | Sep 6 2006, 12:15 PM Post #22 |
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And, without being nasty, not everyone is capable of being educated. Education is not for everyone. EDUCATING them in life, yes. But not 'full time education'. x |
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| The 89th Key | Sep 6 2006, 12:17 PM Post #23 |
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I think what we learn in High School is the "education" everyone should receive and are entitled to. High education often isn't applicable, effective, but often is - if you learn about the right field or industry. I mean...the bottom line for me is that if "college" just becomes grades 13-16, then the standard will be raised that much higher and in a few years we'll have the same debate about whether or not everyone should be allowed to get Master Degrees paid by the government. I think those who work hard, and can pay for it (or need help paying for it) should have the fair opportunity to get a higher education. It shouldn't be an automatic thing, but an available thing for those who work for it. Our society isn't perfect, but this all related, IMO, to the value of a relatively-free-market society where in general...if you work hard, are honest, and are responsible, you can basically be anything you want to be. |
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| Aqua Letifer | Sep 6 2006, 12:20 PM Post #24 |
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...so only the dumb people shovel everyone else's sh!t for a living? I'm sorry, I find that totally ridiculous. EVERYONE has some capacity to be educated. Desire and determination are other matters. I find your sense of entitlement and lack of faith in other people extremely disturbing, MP. |
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| ***musical princess*** | Sep 6 2006, 12:29 PM Post #25 |
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Some people are too lazy to have what it takes to get through uni. They don't have the dedication or the drive. The motivation or the skills. And yes, it's true, some people genuinly don't have the actual ability and capacity to study a course to such a degree of difficulty. And that's not nasty, that's a fact of life. Do you really think it's fair that Blair leads them into this false sense of comfort. This 'Yeah, come to uni, get a degree, it'll be fine' attitude is really going to help them in the long run? And anyway... i was not intially arguing as to whether people are capable or not. What i was saying is, is that Britain will not survive through it if Blair ropes everyone into university. And i'm not sorry for what i've said Aqua. You may think it's cold and heartless but that's life. As sh*tty as it may be, that's the way it is. It couldn't work any other way. x |
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