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An Interesting Indictment of Both Sides; of the Political Spectrum
Topic Started: Aug 13 2006, 06:07 AM (134 Views)
QuirtEvans
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http://www.time.com/time/columnist/klein/a...00.html?cnn=yes
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Nina
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But we've suffered all the boldness we can handle these past six years. In the end, the real alternative to Bush's Republican extremism isn't Democratic extremism. It is bipartisan moderation—which has the additional advantage of being the highest form of patriotism and the only route to victory in a time of war.


He's right. I'd also suggest stronger diplomacy with the countries in the Middle East--even the ones we don't like. They could start, for example, by talking to them.
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George K
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Fair and balanced? An indictment of both sides?

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Vice President Dick Cheney, the nation's wingnut in chief, actually said Lieberman's defeat would give aid and comfort to our terrorist "adversaries and al-Qaeda types."
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On the other side, Eli Pariser, the executive director of MoveOn.org and therefore, perhaps, the nation's blognut in chief, proposed the "death of triangulation"—that is, the end of Clintonian moderation—in a Washington Post


What's worse, a wingnut or a blognut? Who's more "indictable," the bilge spewing Vice President, or the director of a PAC who mourns the loss of Clinton.

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Much was made of Cheney's venting, and it is a bit too easy, after six years of this bilge, to dwell on the Vice President's aura and miss the essential felony of the Bush White House—that it has tried to run a war without bipartisan support.
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One of the most convincing arguments offered by the bloggers is that the Democratic establishment should have been far more skeptical than it was about a pre-emptive, nearly unilateral assault on an Islamic country.


So, it's the White House 'bilge' that is capable of stomping out the poor DemBloggers.

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It was Bush's disastrous decision to go to war—and worse, to go to war with insufficient resources—that transformed Iraq into a terrorist Valhalla. It is Bush's feckless prosecution of the war that has created the current morass, in which a U.S. military withdrawal could lead to a regional conflagration
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well...nothing.

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"Originally employed as a survival mechanism by a Democratic President in the wake of 1994's Republican revolution," he writes, triangulation "no longer makes sense in an era when any attempt at bipartisanship" is seen as Democratic weakness "and exploited accordingly." He has a point. The Bush Administration has made a mockery of bipartisanship.
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well...nothing again.

Seems to me that this piece by Klein is another indictment of the war in Iraq with little to say about the winguttery of the left, save that they are still wallowing in the shadow of that man who cant help them anymore - Bill Clinton, and how "Monica Lewinsky's thong show prevented further successes."
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QuirtEvans
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the expected torrent of rubbish from left-wing blognuts and conservative wingnuts


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To be sure, there is some grist to the Republican portrayal of Democrats as a bunch of wimpy peaceniks.


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In the end, the real alternative to Bush's Republican extremism isn't Democratic extremism.


Maybe you only read every other sentence, George.
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I hate this divisiveness/polarization game the DemoPublicans and all their belligerent pundits and follower-parrots have been playing with this country.

It's wrong, it's evil, and if it keeps up it could send us straight to hell.
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George K
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QuirtEvans
Aug 13 2006, 09:26 AM
Maybe you only read every other sentence, George.

Where, in that editorial does Klein condemn indict any Democrat other than unnamed blogs and MoveOn? Perhaps it's between the lines of the sentences I did read, but I sure missed it. An indictment it is, but not of the Dems, save for the fact that they got distracted by Monica's thong, and long for the days of HWCHMAM.
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Excellent article Quirt.

It really would be nice to get back to a time when people could disagree without being rhetorically shoved into a box, labled and denounced.

Not sure it is possible, but I do think most Americans are basically fiscal conservatives and social moderates. Find a candidate like this and that candidate will win in the extremist charged political atmosphere.
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I agree with the principle, if not the way the author expresses it. Political leadership ala Congess, is all about compromise, or should be. The vitriol at every level of government.. indeed even in our citizenry (ask a schoolteacher with a disgruntled parent how willing to compromise THEY are) needs to be eliminated in favor of a new civility.

Perhaps this is the cycle man goes through over and over, and the real result of war. Our parents' generation, the WWII & Korea generation, had been badly bloodied and seen awful things. They were loath to fight with each other, or even to speak harshly to one another. They were civil, by and large. Having seen war, they wanted no part in unnecessary rancor. Perhaps that holds true in Europe as well, I don't know. I can't speak for the world, but certainly Islamofscism is not inclined to compromise.

Current generations now are without much memory of horrors and loathing for ugly conflict. We seem to see it on every level as the 'way to get things done'. It occurs in traffic, it occurs at McDonalds. It occurs in local government and on the national level. No compromise, my way or the highway.

Perhaps only a massive 'culling of the herd' will turn that around for a generation or two. It is certainly looking that way. A sad thought for Sunday morning.
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Aug 13 2006, 08:34 AM
I agree with the principle, if not the way the author expresses it. Political leadership ala Congess, is all about compromise, or should be.

Which is one of the reasons such diverse presidents as Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinon are considered successful -- both pragmatic men who understood the need to hold to their principles, but compromise to achieve them.
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