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| You guys will love this...; Your favourite UK left wing politician.. | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Aug 12 2006, 04:01 PM (182 Views) | |
| phykell | Aug 12 2006, 04:01 PM Post #1 |
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Senior Carp
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http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article14391.htm I wonder if they'll ever invite his comments again?
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The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way it's animals are treated. - Ghandhi Evil cannot be conquered in the world. It can only be resisted within oneself. Remember, bones heal and chicks dig scars | |
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| John D'Oh | Aug 12 2006, 04:19 PM Post #2 |
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MAMIL
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It's even more amazing that he keeps getting re-elected. |
| What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket? | |
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| David Burton | Aug 12 2006, 04:59 PM Post #3 |
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So that was George Galloway. I enjoyed his brogue, it reminded me of what the same brogues would have been saying while the lower classes of Scotland were being uprooted and deported, equally to no avail. The dangerous line my mind was traversing about halfway through it was the difference between short term and long term projection and planning. This can be applied to any political event that may have a fundamental impact on any modern society; what to do about global warming or what to do about the state of Israel and the Middle East. One side uses short term strategies with less regard (some none at all) for long term considerations, many of them weighty and not so easily dismissed from discussion. The side that shall win in the long run must take the longest term into consideration. Global warming: we are pretty sure that episodes of this kind have occurred before. They helped spark new geologic epochs, brought some species to extinction. We know that the oceans have not been as high as they are now for thousands of years, but that in the far distant past, they were higher. We know there were ice ages lasting hundreds of thousands of years, but there were people still alive in those times, living in the torrid and temperate zones. The planet changes, people adapt. The "something new" about it is that man ALL BY HIMSELF, burning hydrocarbon fuels has created a doomsday situation for the planet that demands INSTANT POLITICAL SOLUTIONS or we'll all die! Is it fair to ask whether these people have the long term perspective in mind at all? To make it plainer, they don't have the experience in terms of lifetimes of observation going back in time far enough to reach their conclusion and DEMAND that the rest of us do something about it. Israel and the Middle East: the long term of it is that the land of Israel, and considerably more than that even, is the long term legitimate homeland for anyone calling themselves Jewish in all the world, whether they were always there or only recently decided maybe that since they weren't made welcome enough in some other places, they'd best get back there. They will make their stand against all the world from there. That's the long term perspective. The Jews, like it or not, will NEVER relinquish a square inch of any land they took since 1967, the year they took the rest of Jerusalem. Does it matter that there is "holy writ" to back up their claims? Certainly it does. Short term perspectives on this matter see whatever they decide as fair; if the Jews can't make it there, they'll jolly well have to be settled somewhere else. Wana make a bet? |
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| George K | Aug 12 2006, 06:36 PM Post #4 |
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For an interesting watch, David, watch Galloway and Christopher Hitchens debate the Iraq war. Both are remarkable, if for no other reason, for how they think on their feet. http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,,1571538,00.html toward the bottom of the page you'll see the link. |
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| ycul | Aug 13 2006, 12:45 AM Post #5 |
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Junior Carp
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Now *that's* what I call entertainment. |
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| George K | Aug 13 2006, 04:01 AM Post #6 |
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What amazed me about it all, regardless of one feels on the Iraq war is how quickly Galloway resorted to ad hominems. |
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A guide to GKSR: Click "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08 Nothing is as effective as homeopathy. I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles. - Klaus, 4/29/18 | |
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| jon-nyc | Aug 13 2006, 05:00 AM Post #7 |
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Cheers
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He's such an ass. |
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