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| The Only Thing We Have To Fear.... | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Aug 11 2006, 04:04 PM (1,024 Views) | |
| Rick Zimmer | Aug 11 2006, 04:04 PM Post #1 |
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You don't think Bush would cynically use the British success at foiling terrorists for partisan political purposes, do you? If terrorism doesn't scare you, maybe Bush will[.b] by Jimmy Greenfield Published August 11, 2006 Chicago Tribune Scared yet? Well, you may be soon. What we almost certainly will see in aftermath of the alleged plot to blow up several planes en route to the U.S. is a thunderous response from President Bush and other Republican leaders. With the midterm elections less than three months away, they will attempt to scare Americans into re-electing Republicans or risk facing instant annihilation at the hands of an evil and murderous enemy. Choose us and live. Choose them and die. Your call. Nice way to end the summer, isn't it? Believe it or not, Thursday was actually a good day. Everybody in his or her right mind knows there are always terrorists plotting to attack the U.S., so it didn't bother me that some people were discovered to be doing just that. What made it a good day was that at least one government, even if it was the British government, knew how to foil a massive terrorist plot. But back to the fear. President Bush gave a brief speech Thursday on an airport tarmac in Green Bay. In the speech he brought up 9/11, which, of course, for him, is a synonym for fear. Then he moved on to the real point he was trying to make, which is some people (read: Democrats) think the world is made up of sugar and spice and everything nice. "It is a mistake to believe there is no threat to the United States of America," he said. "And that is why we have given our officials the tools they need to protect our people." Scaring the public has worked so well for so long that you can't blame him, really. Except when you consider that it's immoral and unpatriotic. Now, even if you're a great admirer of President Bush, do you really think Democrats or any adult in this country believes that "there is no threat to the United States of America" from terrorists? It's a patently absurd statement, but with just a short time allotted for his speech, President Bush chose to try to scare the public into believing that Democrats, if in charge, would fight terrorists with love beads instead of guns. The good news is Bush doesn't have the political leverage to scare Democrats into rolling over anymore. Just nine days after the 9/11 attacks, South Dakota Sen. Tom Daschle, then the Democratic leader in the Senate, said: "We want President Bush to know—we want the world to know—that he can depend on us. We will take up the president's initiatives with speed. We may encounter differences of opinion along the way, but there is no difference in our aim." On Thursday, current Senate Minority Leader Sen. Harry Reid (D-Nev.), said: "The Iraq war has diverted our focus and more than $300 billion in resources from the war on terrorism and has created a rallying cry for international terrorists. This latest plot demonstrates the need for the Bush administration and the Congress to change course in Iraq and ensure that we are taking all the steps necessary to protect Americans at home and across the world.'' Hard to believe the contrast, isn't it? The Democrats, at least ones not named Joe Lieberman, know better than to trust President Bush ever again. I don't think the public will get fooled again by Bush's scare tactics. But like it or not, it's the Bush administration that is most responsible for keeping us safe from terrorists right now. It's also our job to keep an eye on the Bush administration. Don't ever forget that, no matter how scared you get. |
| [size=4]Violence is incompatible with the nature of God and the nature of the soul -- Benedict XVI[/size] | |
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| Mark | Aug 11 2006, 05:07 PM Post #2 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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| Jack Frost | Aug 11 2006, 05:33 PM Post #3 |
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The very obvious point that all but the blindest Bush loving neocons see is that if we were devoting $500 BILLION (that's about 25 years of our total foreign aid budget for each year, including all the weapons we send to Israel) and all the global goodwill we had in 2001 and all the domestic political capital W had then to the war on terror instead of this misadventure in Iraq, this plot probably would have been uncovered a year ago. We lucked out this time thanks to Great Britain and Pakistan. We have deployed our assets in the wrong place and thank God this time it did not harm us. The W/Cheney spin on this that somehow our invasion of Iraq helped stem the tide of Gaterade bombs is ludicrous. W remains the worst.......oh never mind....and Cheney....don't get me started. (He is as close to the devil incarnate as has walked this earth. Not up there with Hitler but equally insideous.) jf |
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| John D'Oh | Aug 11 2006, 05:58 PM Post #4 |
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You should meet my five year old son. |
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| Ben | Aug 11 2006, 05:59 PM Post #5 |
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The tone of the article is only going to alienate those who tend to side with Mr. Bush but might have taken what it had to say seriously. That said, it has a point. For all the kicking and screaming the conservatives here do, most Democrats do believe in fighting the "war on terror," if you insist on calling it that. True, there are lots of anti-war crazies and nutjobs in the Democratic party who, if elected, would just sit there and let us get attacked. That is why Democrats aren't running Cindy Sheehan, etc. for office. There are lots of nutjobs and crazies in the Republican party too. More, in my opinion, but I live in Texas, so I see a lot of that.
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- Ben "Playing 'bop' is like playing Scrabble with all the vowels missing." - Duke Ellington bennieloohoo@gmail.com Or you can just PM me.
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| Mark | Aug 11 2006, 06:12 PM Post #6 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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That's pretty "over the top" Jack. |
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| Jack Frost | Aug 11 2006, 06:23 PM Post #7 |
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Bull-Carp
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I think it is pretty in line with mainstream conservative thinking these days. Find any praise for W in the National review? jf |
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| JBryan | Aug 11 2006, 06:27 PM Post #8 |
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I am the grey one
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Yes, on quite a few issues. |
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"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it". Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody. Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore. From The Lion in Winter. | |
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| ivorythumper | Aug 11 2006, 06:29 PM Post #9 |
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I am so adjective that I verb nouns!
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Ben : A few questions: 1) what do you make of the phrase "in aftermath of the alleged plot to blow up several planes en route to the U.S."?
2a) Why do you say "insist on calling it that"? We speak of the war on poverty but that doesn't mean we plant land mines around food banks. It is an entirely valid term in English usage (war on drugs), and the war is fought with weapons and methods appropriate to the enemy. In this case, it is hardly as metaphoric as in war on drugs or poverty. 2b) given that the Dems are pretty intent on closing down Gitmo, in limiting the ability of the intelligence community to extract information by harsh methods, and in cheering the freedom of the press when the NYT exposes the Government's efforts to actually stop the terrorists, what sort of strategies do you think the Dems would bring to the table that would be effective in fighting the war on terror? |
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| David Burton | Aug 11 2006, 06:35 PM Post #10 |
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Second that, but I laughed at least. |
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| Luke's Dad | Aug 11 2006, 07:08 PM Post #11 |
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From what I understand, the method of investigation used to uncover this plot would be illegal in the US, and would be drawing the condemnation of the left. And you're going to condemn Bush for not discovering this plot sooner? We've had how many terrorist attacks since 9/11? You guys crack me up. |
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| Jack Frost | Aug 11 2006, 07:10 PM Post #12 |
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Iraq? War on Terror? Show me. jf |
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| Jack Frost | Aug 11 2006, 07:12 PM Post #13 |
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Could you be a bit more specific? If you are being honest about this you will convert me. I think you are making this up. jf |
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| George K | Aug 11 2006, 07:15 PM Post #14 |
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Harry Reid's "Rallying Cry" to radical Islam. Turn back the clock about 8 years: Who was president? Bill Clinton. What was Osama bin Laden and al Qaeda doing? Declaring war on the United States. What happened in 1993? World Trade Center Bombings. What happened in 1998? The embassy bombings in Africa. What happened in 2000? The USS Cole bombing. What happened in 2001? 9/11. What was the rallying cry for all of these actions? The cause of their actions is an ideological hate of the United States as a symbol of the Great Satan, the imperial superpower that stands in the way of the Muslim caliphate and Islamic hegemony by supporting the Zionist Pig Nation, Israel. Whatever the rallying cry is at any given time is window dressing, propaganda, a smokescreen. |
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| JBryan | Aug 11 2006, 07:16 PM Post #15 |
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http://www.nationalreview.com/ Read for yourself. There are issues about which some on NR disagree with Bush but there is far more agreement than disagreement. NR has no orthodoxy to which every member must pay fealty or be ostracized by the rest in stark contrast to the lefty fever swamp blogs you seem to be immersing yourself into. I really don't know where you came up with this rediculous idea. You are beginning to worry me. |
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"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it". Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody. Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore. From The Lion in Winter. | |
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| Luke's Dad | Aug 11 2006, 07:49 PM Post #16 |
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,207944,00.html
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| Rick Zimmer | Aug 11 2006, 09:20 PM Post #17 |
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The Brits have been investigating this group in earnest since last December. If it were in this country, why could this not have been done legally and constitutionally with a secret court warrant? |
| [size=4]Violence is incompatible with the nature of God and the nature of the soul -- Benedict XVI[/size] | |
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| ivorythumper | Aug 11 2006, 09:23 PM Post #18 |
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I am so adjective that I verb nouns!
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Because it would have probably wound up on the front page of the NYT, the terrorists would have disbanded and fled, and you would have defended the rights of the NYT to print whatever they wanted? Sorry if that's a caricturization of your overall position, but that is basically how I read your approach to things... |
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| Rick Zimmer | Aug 11 2006, 09:29 PM Post #19 |
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Of course, at a time like this and with a President like this, we certainly should suspend the freedom of the press. Sorry if that's a charicurization of your overall position, but that is basically how I read your approach to things... |
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| ivorythumper | Aug 11 2006, 09:47 PM Post #20 |
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I am so adjective that I verb nouns!
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QED. |
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| JBryan | Aug 11 2006, 09:49 PM Post #21 |
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Rick lost me when he seemed to have to agonize over whether someone who committed an act of terrorism might actually be a terrorist. This evening's posts on the Middle East have me wondering if he has even the most tenuous grip on reality. |
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"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it". Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody. Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore. From The Lion in Winter. | |
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| AlbertaCrude | Aug 11 2006, 10:27 PM Post #22 |
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Well don't blame me. I only offered cookies to IT, Jeffery and Sue. Never thought to offer Rick any. |
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| Larry | Aug 12 2006, 12:28 AM Post #23 |
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I'm with JB on this one - Rick has lost touch with reality, and Jack is right behind him. If you lefties would put your hatred away, you'd find that it has been widely reported that even England acknowledges the US has been involved with them in this right from the beginning. You know those phone taps you claimed were such a violation of your civil rights? Remember your pissing and moaning about that one? Well - it just saved hundreds of lives. It blows my mind that grown men of supposedly educated backgrounds can be so silly. |
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| Larry | Aug 12 2006, 12:31 AM Post #24 |
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Mmmmmmm, pie!
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And Jack, the term "neocon" is a word that came about to describe a conservative Jew. Every time you use it, even though I'm sure you don't know any better, you are being antisemitic. There are no "neocons" on this forum. |
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| QuirtEvans | Aug 12 2006, 01:04 AM Post #25 |
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In other words, even in your caricature, the plot would have been foiled. |
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