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| terror plot and internet privacy | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Aug 11 2006, 03:14 AM (242 Views) | |
| bachophile | Aug 11 2006, 03:14 AM Post #1 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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well it looks like the terror plot momentarily displaced lebanon from the news for a while, and this allows me to post on a topic with less personal angst. so just a thought; we have had in the past very avid discussion about how much government should track internet activity of private individuals... so it seems, now that the details emerge, that a main avenue in tracking the plot involved tracking internet usage...plane schedules and ticketing sites. as well as email and other communications. i wonder if MI5 has less constraints then the NSA (actually i doubt it, i think the NSA can and does peep on everyone and anything without the need for legal red tape) in spying. so the bottom line....to those who oppose government spying on web usage...score another big hooray and thank you to the people who understand that today, personal liberty and privacy, must be somewhat sacrificed to ensure public safety. |
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| Mikhailoh | Aug 11 2006, 04:49 AM Post #2 |
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If you want trouble, find yourself a redhead
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Amen. |
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| The 89th Key | Aug 11 2006, 05:35 AM Post #3 |
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Bach, I was going to start a thread about this but you already did. It turns out much of the surveillance that we debated a while ago, actually helped to stop thousands of people dying over the Atlantic in a few days... Besides internet watches, phone calls were a primary source of info, as well as physical surveillance. In some cases, even apartments were inspected while the tenant was out. Now obviously this isn't a clear cut anything...but it makes you think. THOUSANDS of lives were saved because of these activities. Is it worth it? |
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| ny1911 | Aug 11 2006, 05:51 AM Post #4 |
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Senior Carp
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You've very clearly defined a gray area. Where does one draw the line in allowing personal communications to be monitored without a warrant? |
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So live your life and live it well. There's not much left of me to tell. I just got back up each time I fell. | |
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| apple | Aug 11 2006, 05:55 AM Post #5 |
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one of the angels
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we can all listen in at http://angryarab.blogspot.com/ |
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| TomK | Aug 11 2006, 05:58 AM Post #6 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Well, I guess we have to do it, but I really enjoy doing what the hell I please without anyone looking over my shoulder. Little by little our essential freedoms are being ebbed away in search of security. I live on about 20 acres and one of my I guess you could call it "joys in life" is about once a week walking my property line--knowing that mud on my boots is mine and all that--I own the land, no mortgage no nothing but it bothers me to think--I can't cut down certain trees (not that I would,) because there are laws against it. I can't develop the land the way I want (not that I would,) because there are laws against it. I can't kill alligators that may move in (), because there are laws against it. I would appreciate a lot less government interference in what I do, but it seems I'm going to get a whole lot more. And I can understand the reasons--and I agree with the reasons. I'm just sad that 1984 has finally come upon us. |
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| QuirtEvans | Aug 11 2006, 06:04 AM Post #7 |
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I Owe It All To John D'Oh
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Source? Moreover, this surveillance was conducted over MONTHS. If they had months to do it, do you think they might have had time to get a warrant? Moreover, how do you know that no warrant (or the British equivalent, whatever that might be) was issued for that type of surveillance?
How do you know this happened without a warrant? No one here has objected to searches based on a valid warrant. |
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| ny1911 | Aug 11 2006, 06:06 AM Post #8 |
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Michael Cheroff was on TV last night saying that they had the necessary warrants. |
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| QuirtEvans | Aug 11 2006, 06:13 AM Post #9 |
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I Owe It All To John D'Oh
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There you go. They had warrants. I have no problem with searches conducted pursuant to validly issued warrants. |
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| The 89th Key | Aug 11 2006, 06:51 AM Post #10 |
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Quirt, this was everything I heard on the news, so I don't have a source yet. But I'm not making it up. |
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| dolmansaxlil | Aug 11 2006, 06:58 AM Post #11 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Yep - it followed the story about Dolly Parton's death. (sorry, 89th, I'm just giving you a hard time) |
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| The 89th Key | Aug 11 2006, 07:53 AM Post #12 |
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I know you're just kidding, but the Dolly Parton story was on a morning talk show, as where the British surveillance was on a news program. |
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| AlbertaCrude | Aug 11 2006, 08:04 AM Post #13 |
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Bull-Carp
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Not sure whether a warrant for such is required under British law. There was no requirement in Canada for search and surveillance until 1982 when that damn Constitution was repatariated and the Charter for Rights & Freedoms came into force. Now the police we even have to read crooks their *rights* when they lock the handcuffs. IMO too much US TV is to blame. |
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