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Ann Coulter's Version of the Truth
Topic Started: Aug 9 2006, 08:33 PM (1,350 Views)
John D'Oh
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If we killed and cooked Michael Moore, and forced Ann Coulter to eat him, do you think we'd get one regular person? If nothing else, she might lose that 'Princess Diana diet' look.
What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket?
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JBryan
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Wouldn't it make more sense if we forced Michael Moore to eat Ann Coulter? You would save two steps and maybe end up with two normal people.
"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne


There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it".


Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody.

Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore.

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George K
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JBryan
Aug 12 2006, 08:13 AM
Wouldn't it make more sense if we forced Michael Moore to eat Ann Coulter?

He'd probably lose weight. :thumb:
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JBryan
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He wouldn't lose that sh!t eating grin, however.
"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne


There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it".


Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody.

Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore.

From The Lion in Winter.
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Larry
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Can I eat her too?..... :D
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ivorythumper
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QuirtEvans
Aug 12 2006, 02:13 AM
ivorythumper
Aug 11 2006, 04:25 PM
QuirtEvans
Aug 11 2006, 07:19 AM

Do you think the average reader was treating that subjunctively, IT?

Probably not, due to the dumbed down educational system most Americans have thanks to the NEA. ;)

However, as you occasionally have to correctly point out, you must argue against what the author actually write, not what you think they wrote or wanted them to write.

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That book has sold hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of copies.

Yes, she is very canny rhetorician. Even if one vehemently disagrees with her politcs and her style, there is no doubt that she is intelligent and making a nice living at doing what she does. Punditry is a rather benign occupation in the scheme of things
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If your point is that she was blatantly misleading, rather than outright lying, I'm not sure that raises her to a higher circle of hell.


No, that is not my point. I don't think it is blatantly misleading, nor do I know that it was deliberately misleading. She made a shorthand argument regarding the implications of value free education. In terms of social and cultural criticism, that sort of connect the dots does not warrant eternal damnation.

If she made her point subjunctively ... and if she's as smart as you say she is ... then she knew that the average reader would not treat the point subjunctively. As even you admit.

Therefore, she was smart enough to know that her phrasing would be misleading. Yet she didn't change it to make herself more clear, she left the phrasing that she presumably knew would be misleading. That suggests deliberate intent.

Sorry, none of that follows logically. You are making an "if this than that" fallacy. The intelligence it takes to make a subjunctive argument is not as keen as the intelligence it takes to deliberately mislead through a carefully worded subjunctive argument.

Furthermore, subjunctive arguments are frequently used to lead (which is the whole point of rhetoric) without the intent to mislead. So you are trying to attribute intent to do a bad act when that act is a common act that is generally considered benign. You'd have to offer some actual evidence to make that case -- all you can make now is an allegation.

Given that you yourself misunderstood the argument (which is why you started the thread), I can understand why you would want to insist that she deliberately sought to mislead. That, however, is not evidence of her intent as much as of your comprehension.
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Nina
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Maybe she's just a bad writer. I can pretty much guarantee that IT and Quirt have spent more brain cells on this than she did when she originally wrote it.
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Nina
Aug 12 2006, 10:21 AM
Maybe she's just a bad writer. I can pretty much guarantee that IT and Quirt have spent more brain cells on this than she did when she originally wrote it.

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