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What We Are Up Against
Topic Started: Aug 4 2006, 08:33 PM (288 Views)
JBryan
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I am the grey one
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-2299682,00.html

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“It was hell. They are really well trained. They’re not suckers, they know how to fight,” said one, slumped on the pavement. “You’re scared the whole time over there. We didn’t get any sleep the whole week.” There was not a voice of dissent.


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“They’re a bunch of terrorists. We are an army. We can never beat them completely because we have to obey certain rules. They operate from within civilian populations, and can do whatever they like. They don’t give a **** about these things.


For those who think this is not a war and we can negotiate with these people or deal with this as a law enforcement issue make no mistake, these same people want to kill us and have already declared war on us.
"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne


There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it".


Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody.

Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore.

From The Lion in Winter.
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Larry
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Exactly.

Of the Pokatwat Tribe

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Rick Zimmer
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JBryan
Aug 4 2006, 09:33 PM
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-2299682,00.html

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“It was hell. They are really well trained. They’re not suckers, they know how to fight,” said one, slumped on the pavement. “You’re scared the whole time over there. We didn’t get any sleep the whole week.” There was not a voice of dissent.


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“They’re a bunch of terrorists. We are an army. We can never beat them completely because we have to obey certain rules. They operate from within civilian populations, and can do whatever they like. They don’t give a **** about these things.


For those who think this is not a war and we can negotiate with these people or deal with this as a law enforcement issue make no mistake, these same people want to kill us and have already declared war on us.

jbryan,

If you feel these people are such a threat to the United States, why did you, a few days ago, justify the Iraqi's Prime Minister's unwillingess to condemn them simply because it was impolitic for him to do so?

Should not someone for whose country we have sacrificed 2500+ American lives, 18,000+ American soldier's being maimed and injured and for whom we are spending $6Billion a month be expected to oppose those who are a major threat to the United States?

I don't see how you can justify givng this guy a pass if we are in a war with people who you feel are so dangerous to us. Have we not paid enough in American blood and money to expect his support against what you define as such an enemy?
[size=4]Violence is incompatible with the nature of God and the nature of the soul -- Benedict XVI[/size]
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Phlebas
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Rick,

Your question is naive. There is no leader of any country with a mjority of Muslims who could condemn the Hezbollah, and not be assasinated.

(If you go to O'Byrne's Emerald Isle on Fordham Rd. in the Bronx at about 2:30 tomorrow morning, and sing "Rule Brittania" at the top of your lungs, you'll get the idea.)
Random FML: Today, I was fired by my boss in front of my coworkers. It would have been nice if I could have left the building before they started celebrating. FML

The founding of the bulk of the world's nation states post 1914 is based on self-defined nationalisms. The bulk of those national movements involve territory that was ethnically mixed. The foundation of many of those nation states involved population movements in the aftermath. When the only one that is repeatedly held up as unjust and unjustifiable is the Zionist project, the term anti-semitism may very well be appropriate. - P*D


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Jolly
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Can they be a threat to us?

One cockroach in your yard is not a threat. A thousand cockroaches in your kitchen is an entirely different matter...
The main obstacle to a stable and just world order is the United States.- George Soros
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kentcouncil
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Phlebas
Aug 5 2006, 06:34 AM
(If you go to O'Byrne's Emerald Isle on Fordham Rd. in the Bronx at about 2:30 tomorrow morning, and sing "Rule Brittania" at the top of your lungs, you'll get the idea.)

:lol2: :yes:
It was a confusion of ideas between him and one of the lions he was hunting in Kenya that had caused A. B. Spottsworth to make the obituary column. He thought the lion was dead, and the lion thought it wasn't.

- P.G. Wodehouse
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iainhp
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Meanwhile:

Earlier Saturday, the United States and France said they have reached a deal on a
U.N. Security Council resolution to end fighting between
Israel and Hezbollah in Lebanon. The U.S.-French draft resolution calls for a "full cessation of hostilities" but allows Israel to respond to Hezbollah attacks.


Obviously doomed to failure as they added the clause allowing Israel to respond to attacks, which sounds like they only really expect a one sided cessation of hostilities.

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kentcouncil
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iainhp
Aug 5 2006, 11:28 AM
Meanwhile:

Earlier Saturday, the United States and France said they have reached a deal on a
U.N. Security Council resolution to end fighting between
Israel and Hezbollah in Lebanon. The U.S.-French draft resolution calls for a "full cessation of hostilities" but allows Israel to respond to Hezbollah attacks.


Obviously doomed to failure as they added the clause allowing Israel to respond to attacks, which sounds like they only really expect a one sided cessation of hostilities.

Yeah.... no one seriously expects Hezbollah to adhere to a cease-fire.
It was a confusion of ideas between him and one of the lions he was hunting in Kenya that had caused A. B. Spottsworth to make the obituary column. He thought the lion was dead, and the lion thought it wasn't.

- P.G. Wodehouse
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kentcouncil
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The situation in the Middle East has always reminded me of the Yeats's poem "The Second Coming" which, despite its obvious religious allusions, always seemed to me more political than religious in intent.

When the Third World War starts, it will start in the Middle East, if it hasn't already.

Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.
Surely some revelation is at hand;
Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out
When a vast image out of Spritus Mundi
Troubles my sight: somewhere in the sands of the desert
A shape with lion body and the head of a man,
A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
Reel shadows of the indignant desert birds.
The darkness drops again; but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?
It was a confusion of ideas between him and one of the lions he was hunting in Kenya that had caused A. B. Spottsworth to make the obituary column. He thought the lion was dead, and the lion thought it wasn't.

- P.G. Wodehouse
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apple
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but isn't it odd that the clash of religions fuel this war

beautiful poem.. Yeats was a master
it behooves me to behold
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Mikhailoh
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Clash of religions have fueled many, if not most, of the wars this past thousand years. It is sad that the human race has not been able to rise above that.
Once in his life, every man is entitled to fall madly in love with a gorgeous redhead - Lucille Ball
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David Burton
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Mikhailoh
Aug 6 2006, 07:06 AM
Clash of religions have fueled many, if not most, of the wars this past thousand years. It is sad that the human race has not been able to rise above that.

Including Godless communism and those allied against it, and Naziism and other forms of totalitarian social ordering; social idealism, the worst evil yet, that claimed easily 100 million lives. A religion is still possible without a deity. Man's inhumanity to God (Tennessee Williams) is so well known by now.
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