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Was Gibson right?; ...about Jews responsible for wars?
Topic Started: Aug 1 2006, 12:54 PM (679 Views)
Mikhailoh
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Dewey
Aug 1 2006, 05:41 PM
justme
Aug 1 2006, 01:39 PM
The Wars of the Roses

The Wars of the Rosenbergs.

As best I know the Rosenbergs lost that one. Don't you remember 'ethel has hot pants'?
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AlbertaCrude
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No particular group is responsible for all the wars of the past 100 years.

In final analysis it's entirley the fault of two individuals; Kaiser Wilhem II for his unceasing Teutonic belligerence and Tsar Nicholas II, who was too stupid to realize he ought not to have married that evil and superstitious German princess.
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John D'Oh
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THe Jewish issue wasn't central to WW2. WW2 was mostly a continuation of WW1, and was about Germany attempting to carve out an empire for itself and establish itself as a superpower. Hitler didn't invade France, Belgium and the Soviet Union because he hated Jews, and neither did Kaiser Bill and Moltke. They wanted land.

Were the Jews involved in Rwanda, possibly the most bloody and costly conflict of recent times? How about Sri Lanka, that ones been going on for ages? As far as I know we can't even blame the Muslims for those conflicts, although I'm sure some would like to try. How about Northern Ireland - no, sorry, only so-called Christians involved there. Falklands War? No, Argentina vs. UK.

I'm hearing no, Bob.

As far as history goes, I'm more likely to listen to Mel Brooks than Mel Gibson.
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If we all were exactly the same we would all get along in peace. So the story goes. It's an interesting theory but if doesn't work in practice--it's against the very nature of humanity. People have to "be" something in order to survive.


I'm not sure... we seem to see groups but where and how much emphasis we place in them, whether it is religious, or nationality, or football team or perhaps species, or even sentient agent. That doesn't seem so hard coded in. (I think you can make an exception for direct family - there you probably do have stuff hard coded in).

I mean there are countries where an allegiance to the national idenitity is much stronger than in others e.g. the U.S. and China have very strong national idenitites, but the UK does not. There are religions with a much stronger group idenitity than others.

That seems to show there is room to manoever.

A world with less emphasis on these identites would not seem an impossibility in and of itself - it's just getting there that is non-trivial. - People are not rational, they are invested into these things and so the idea of reducing them is not something they really allow themselves to consider.
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AlbertaCrude
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Aug 1 2006, 03:04 PM
I mean there are countries where an allegiance to the national idenitity is much stronger than in others e.g. the U.S. and China have very strong national idenitites, but the UK does not.

Britain once had a strong national identity but they had to sign it away in order to pay for the wars against the bloodlyminded Huns.
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Britain once had a strong national identity but they had to sign it away in order to pay for the wars against the bloodlyminded Huns.


:D
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John D'Oh
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Scotland and Wales have very strong national identities, it's the English who struggle. I don't struggle any more, it's much easier to be English when you don't have to live there.
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Dewey
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kenny
Aug 1 2006, 02:37 PM
Groupism

What Moonbat said.

Groupism

So you and Moonbat are a group.

Groupism.
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Or a Deweyo
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Dewey
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Hey, I'm just sayin'.

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Civilization = Groupism
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Teutonic culture = military brass bands
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And struedel. Don't forget struedel.
"By nature, i prefer brevity." - John Calvin, Institutes of the Christian Religion, p. 685.

"Never waste your time trying to explain yourself to people who are committed to misunderstanding you." - Anonymous

"Oh sure, every once in a while a turd floated by, but other than that it was just fine." - Joe A., 2011

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Leather pants and helmets with spikes on top.

Why am I reminded of the movie 'Those Magnificent Men....'?

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Rick Zimmer
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By simply asking the question, one gives credibility to the Gibson's bigotry especially when the question get asked in such as way as to assume that involvement of one group or another equates to responsibility.

Yoiu know, there are wars that do not involve America. Isaac's question and explanation and the answers so far show the self centeredness of most Americans view of the world. One would think that if America was not involved in the war, it is not a war.

How many wars are going on in the world right now? According to globalsecurity.com, the UN counts 8 major wars going on (more than 1000 battlefield deaths per year) and 2 dozen minor wars, most civil or tribal wars. How many are the Jews involved in? How many are they responsible for?

And how many wars have gone on in the 20th and the beginning of the 21st century that did not include the US? Shall we start with counting all of the colonial wars of independence? How about all the tribal wars throughout the world for the past 106 years? Civil wars that have gone on?

And what percentage of these have the Jews been involved in? On top of that, what percentage have they been responsible for?

Sheesh! Let's get a more global view here.
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TomK
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Aug 1 2006, 07:04 PM

I'm not sure... we seem to see groups but where and how much emphasis we place in them, whether it is religious, or nationality, or football team or perhaps species, or even sentient agent. That doesn't seem so hard coded in. (I think you can make an exception for direct family - there you probably do have stuff hard coded in).

I mean there are countries where an allegiance to the national idenitity is much stronger than in others e.g. the U.S. and China have very strong national idenitites, but the UK does not. There are religions with a much stronger group idenitity than others.

That seems to show there is room to manoever.

A world with less emphasis on these identites would not seem an impossibility in and of itself - it's just getting there that is non-trivial. - People are not rational, they are invested into these things and so the idea of reducing them is not something they really allow themselves to consider.

I think that was all part of the great Socialist experiment that went on in the USSR and still goes on in China. Neither was an ideal society in which to live, as a matter of fact both had moments of true horror on massive scales.

This really gets to the essence of that "man" is. The Marxists seem to see an evolutionary growth through out the centuries, that man could actually leave the psychosocial problems of the past behind if only he was trained differently--on the other hand an institution like the Catholic Church stated that man is what he always was, flawed (the word used is sinful,) yet able to use his innate rationality (with God's help,) to achieve a state of transcendence of his flawed nature.

We are taught to root for out schools and ort teams at an early age--no doubt easy steps to further socialization. I don't know--people seem pretty damn easy to train, it seems groupism is pretty deep inside us.
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kenny
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Dewey
Aug 1 2006, 03:25 PM
kenny
Aug 1 2006, 02:37 PM
Groupism

What Moonbat said.

Groupism

So you and Moonbat are a group.

Groupism.

We are us
You are them
Nuke you!

:P

Thems are bad
Uses are good.

Our group good.
Your group bad

Groupism is like opinions and A-holes
We all have them and they all stink.

Why can't I make a point without someone saying I am guilty of what I am talking about?

Sure I am guilty.
My Sh!t stinks too.
I can still make a point.
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TomK
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kenny
Aug 1 2006, 08:09 PM

My Sh!t stinks too.

Well, mine doesn't! :D
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Rick Zimmer
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kenny
Aug 1 2006, 05:09 PM
Dewey
Aug 1 2006, 03:25 PM
kenny
Aug 1 2006, 02:37 PM
Groupism

What Moonbat said.

Groupism

So you and Moonbat are a group.

Groupism.

We are us
You are them
Nuke you!

:P

Thems are bad
Uses are good.

Our group good.
Your group bad

Groupism is like opinions and A-holes
We all have them and they all stink.

Why can't I make a point without someone saying I am guilty of what I am talking about?

Sure I am guilty.
My Sh!t stinks too.
I can still make a point.

Actually, a study of the causes of war indicate that most wars are fought over geography -- the desire/need for territory, the desire/need for access to shipping lanes and trade routes, the desire/need for agricultural areas, the desire/need for water and or other natural resources.

Very few are fought solely because of one group disliking another. More often than not, it is over one group occupying or controlling territory or resources another group wants/needs. Indeed, even the Israeli/Arab/Muslim conflict of the past 60 years are not really over religion, but over territory.
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AlbertaCrude
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Aug 1 2006, 03:46 PM
And struedel. Don't forget struedel.

With schnapps and Viennese coffee!!
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