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| Was Gibson right?; ...about Jews responsible for wars? | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Aug 1 2006, 12:54 PM (678 Views) | |
| The 89th Key | Aug 1 2006, 12:54 PM Post #1 |
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Ok, ok, ok, ok...hang on a second and hear me out. I obviously don't believe he was right, but I'm just analyzing what he said. Despite the politically incorrect status of what he said, and the generalized nature of his comments, I was thinking about what he said and it is an interesting point. Here is what he said:
Obviously Jews aren't responsible for all the wars in the world. Duh. But could it be argued that many of the wars in the 20th and 21st century - revolve around Jews and/or Israel? Just an honest question for an honest debate. Side note: I guess it could also be argued that money, land, religion, or even straight people are responsible for all the wars in the world.
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| kenny | Aug 1 2006, 01:21 PM Post #2 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Groupism is responsible for all wars. |
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| Dewey | Aug 1 2006, 01:28 PM Post #3 |
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Well back to the Honda example, I don't think the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor because of "the Jews." |
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"By nature, i prefer brevity." - John Calvin, Institutes of the Christian Religion, p. 685. "Never waste your time trying to explain yourself to people who are committed to misunderstanding you." - Anonymous "Oh sure, every once in a while a turd floated by, but other than that it was just fine." - Joe A., 2011 I'll answer your other comments later, but my primary priority for the rest of the evening is to get drunk." - Klaus, 12/31/14 | |
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| dolmansaxlil | Aug 1 2006, 01:32 PM Post #4 |
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I would say that power is responsible for all wars. Power over land. Power over other people. Power over beliefs. Religious wars often start because a religious group feels that they need more power - they need to get rid of dissenters because they dilute their religious power. That's the way I look at it. |
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| The 89th Key | Aug 1 2006, 01:33 PM Post #5 |
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No, but Pearl Harbor was part of WWII which was very much about the Nazi's hatred for those not like them, most specifically and famously - Jews. I dunno, honestly...perhaps this is a dumb conversation, since I don't see how it can be productive in any way!
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| dolmansaxlil | Aug 1 2006, 01:35 PM Post #6 |
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You didn't hear, Dewey? They were just after Apprentice Seaman Rosenberg. Everyone else was just in the way. |
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| Dave Spelvin | Aug 1 2006, 01:37 PM Post #7 |
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I disagree with your statement. However, even if it were true, how does this "fact" make jews "responsible for all the wars in the world". Because they were targets? |
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| dolmansaxlil | Aug 1 2006, 01:37 PM Post #8 |
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Whoa whoa whoa. Japan was expanding their empire LONG before they made an alliance with Germany. And even that alliance wasn't based on much more than "We'll leave you alone, you'll leave us alone" and common enemies. They didn't really give a damn what the other country's motivation was. They were just fighting the same guys and decided to shake on it. And I would bet that had both Germany and Japan had been succesful, taking over their halves of the world, they would have eventually fought each other. The Japanese didn't care one lick about the Jews, Germany, or anything going in in Europe, except to be pleased that the Americans had to fight on two fronts. |
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| Dewey | Aug 1 2006, 01:38 PM Post #9 |
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Had there been no Nazi Germany, no European war, no Europe... the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor, starting a war with the United States. Their decision to go to war with us had nothing to do with the Jewish population, despite the fact that Jewish issues were involved in other theaters of the war. But by the same token... I don't think the Jews had much to do with the Korean War or Vietnam, either. Or, for that matter, WW I, the Spanish Civil War, the English/Irish conflict, the Falklands, the Castro/Cuban revolution, the Contras in Nicaraugua, .... |
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"By nature, i prefer brevity." - John Calvin, Institutes of the Christian Religion, p. 685. "Never waste your time trying to explain yourself to people who are committed to misunderstanding you." - Anonymous "Oh sure, every once in a while a turd floated by, but other than that it was just fine." - Joe A., 2011 I'll answer your other comments later, but my primary priority for the rest of the evening is to get drunk." - Klaus, 12/31/14 | |
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| justme | Aug 1 2006, 01:39 PM Post #10 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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The Wars of the Roses |
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| Dewey | Aug 1 2006, 01:40 PM Post #11 |
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Ah ah, we're trying to keep it twentieth century...
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"By nature, i prefer brevity." - John Calvin, Institutes of the Christian Religion, p. 685. "Never waste your time trying to explain yourself to people who are committed to misunderstanding you." - Anonymous "Oh sure, every once in a while a turd floated by, but other than that it was just fine." - Joe A., 2011 I'll answer your other comments later, but my primary priority for the rest of the evening is to get drunk." - Klaus, 12/31/14 | |
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| Dewey | Aug 1 2006, 01:41 PM Post #12 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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The Wars of the Rosenbergs. |
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"By nature, i prefer brevity." - John Calvin, Institutes of the Christian Religion, p. 685. "Never waste your time trying to explain yourself to people who are committed to misunderstanding you." - Anonymous "Oh sure, every once in a while a turd floated by, but other than that it was just fine." - Joe A., 2011 I'll answer your other comments later, but my primary priority for the rest of the evening is to get drunk." - Klaus, 12/31/14 | |
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| justme | Aug 1 2006, 01:43 PM Post #13 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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I'm going to head out to the ballgame. Seeya!
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| The 89th Key | Aug 1 2006, 01:43 PM Post #14 |
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I have to leave work quickly now, but for the record: I didn't say I thought this were true, just an interesting point that perhaps many, not most (thus listing out non-jewish based wars isn't productive to the convo, IMO), that many wars and conflicts have been fought in the last 100 years surrounding the Jewish people and the Jewish state. |
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| Moonbat | Aug 1 2006, 01:48 PM Post #15 |
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| Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem | |
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| Dewey | Aug 1 2006, 01:59 PM Post #16 |
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Groupism is responsible for families. Groupism is responsible for intellectual, scientific, and artistic advancement. Groupism is responsible for many great efforts to improve the human condition. etc., etc., etc. Groupism is responsible for many things, good and bad. Does this condemnation of groupism mean that there should be no groupism? Too simple a comment, and often too sloppily extended, to be meaningful. |
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"By nature, i prefer brevity." - John Calvin, Institutes of the Christian Religion, p. 685. "Never waste your time trying to explain yourself to people who are committed to misunderstanding you." - Anonymous "Oh sure, every once in a while a turd floated by, but other than that it was just fine." - Joe A., 2011 I'll answer your other comments later, but my primary priority for the rest of the evening is to get drunk." - Klaus, 12/31/14 | |
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| TomK | Aug 1 2006, 02:11 PM Post #17 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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![]() Groupers are responsible for all wars. |
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| Kincaid | Aug 1 2006, 02:26 PM Post #18 |
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Heck, I'd fight that ugly sum'bitch, too. |
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| Luke's Dad | Aug 1 2006, 02:27 PM Post #19 |
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Lord knows Vietnam and Korea were all about the Jews. |
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| Moonbat | Aug 1 2006, 02:29 PM Post #20 |
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By groupism, i mean the phenomena of "us and them". We divide ourselves up, your American, I'm British, he's gay, i'm striaght, i'm white she's asian, and by investing ourselves into these stupidly irrelevent catagories we conjur up a million invisible threads that pull humanity apart. There are classic examples where the effects are easily seen e.g. the Pakistan-India split, or the Balkans conflict. You see people who have very similar lives, common interests, who were getting along just fine, suddenly at each others throats. For what? An allegiance to an abstract idenitity, to something we've invented. What a spectacular waste of time. We should fight that tendency from the moment we are capable. Instead most people champion it. The only group idenitity we should focus on is mankind. Now you may say i'm a dreamer, but you know, i'm not the only one. I hope some day you join us, and then perhaps the world will be as one.
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| Luke's Dad | Aug 1 2006, 02:36 PM Post #21 |
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You know, Moonbat, your idea of eutopia is very similar to my idea of hell. I have no problem and celebrate all of the different things about myself that seperate me from others. I also celebrate and enjoy the differences in others. |
| The problem with having an open mind is that people keep trying to put things in it. | |
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| kenny | Aug 1 2006, 02:37 PM Post #22 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Groupism What Moonbat said. Groupism |
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| TomK | Aug 1 2006, 02:39 PM Post #23 |
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That the old Marxist theory of ideology. We are taught to believe that we are different, better, smarter. We are taught that Jews are different than Muslims and that one group should live here and the other there. If we all were exactly the same we would all get along in peace. So the story goes. It's an interesting theory but if doesn't work in practice--it's against the very nature of humanity. People have to "be" something in order to survive. |
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| Moonbat | Aug 1 2006, 02:39 PM Post #24 |
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I'm happy with celebrating differences just not _defining_ ourselves on them. I'm not arguing for homogeneity, i'm arguing against an allegiance to irrelevent identities. |
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| Kincaid | Aug 1 2006, 02:54 PM Post #25 |
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Without groupism we wouldn't know what jokes to tell. |
| Kincaid - disgusted Republican Partisan since 2006. | |
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