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Mel Gibson apologizes directly to Jews; ...asks for more than forgiveness.
Topic Started: Aug 1 2006, 07:27 AM (2,161 Views)
ivorythumper
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AlbertaCrude
Aug 2 2006, 08:05 AM
ivorythumper
Aug 1 2006, 11:38 PM
I am always amazed at what awesome sleuthing abilities you have, Rick, and how you can so accurately diagnose Mel's affliction and necessary course of treatment from a press release.  You have a godlike intellect.

You know for a person who considers the terse delivery of fact regarding the economic integration of the world's two largest bilateral trading partners as lashing out in another thread, your statement to Rick on this most trivial of matters, Mr. Gibson's addiction & illness, stings as a cat o' nine tails across a naked back in comparison to a short sharp swat with a grandmother's hand across a toddler's diapered buttocks.

Time for you to smoke another doobie, AC. The "lashing out" comment was obviously tongue in cheek. Of course, at least you Canadians get that fine habana marijuana that is unavailable in the US due to this damn embargo. :wink:
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Well, at least you didn't claim it was another example of the Zimmerframe Diuretic, or whatever the hell that clever thingummy is.
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AlbertaCrude
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I prefer cookies made of the fine British Columbia alpine variety.

But a Cuban stogie now and then ain't bad either.

But you have to admit my comment on North American economic integration is fact.
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Rick Zimmer
Aug 2 2006, 07:38 AM
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Aug 2 2006, 12:38 AM
I am always amazed at what awesome sleuthing abilities you have, Rick, and how you can so accurately diagnose Mel's affliction and necessary course of treatment from a press release.  You have a godlike intellect.

I have a brother with severe addictions and have been going through this for 30 years. I know very well how these programs work. The giveaway was when the press release said he was in rehab, not in treatment.

Handling addictions through rehabilitation is always basically the same procedures and when they finally get into rehab because of something as severe as an arrest compounded with his interaction with the police, he would be put into detox for at least a week if not longer and detox mandates no contact with the outside world at all.

Rick: You are jumping to massive conclusions. Unless you know precisely MG's schedule, where he is going, his course of care, what is metabolic process is, whether he actually required detox, whether they accurately used the distinction "rehab" vs "treatment", whether he is inpatient, outpatient or at home, that he is not using something like the Sinclair method or acupuncture detox, ad inifintum, you are making a guess, and basing a judgment off of a guess.

There are many treatments for alcoholism based on the various perspectives of the problem. They do tend to follow a certain method, but for you to make such decisive comments based on a press release and not a medical report is irresponsible.
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Aug 2 2006, 10:44 AM
I prefer cookies made of the fine British Columbia alpine variety.

But a Cuban stogie now and then ain't bad either.

But you have to admit my comment on North American economic integration is fact.

You're absolutely right about the close interdependency between the US and Canada. Darn good neighbors I think. Let's keep it that way. :thumb:

BTW, last year Peggy was so kind as to send MS and me a batch of delicious Christmas cookies.... Mrs. Crude's sound even more interesting. :wink:
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ivorythumper
Aug 2 2006, 09:55 AM
....you are making a guess, and basing a judgment off of a guess.

There are many treatments for alcoholism based on the various perspectives of the problem. They do tend to follow a certain method, but for you to make such decisive comments based on a press release and not a medical report is irresponsible.

I can't help but notice the parallel between this and what the lefties were saying about Dr. Frist's long-distance diagnosis of Terri Schiavo.


:popcorn:


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Aug 2 2006, 11:15 AM
ivorythumper
Aug 2 2006, 09:55 AM
....you are making a guess, and basing a judgment off of a guess.

There are many treatments for alcoholism based on the various perspectives of the problem. They do tend to follow a certain method, but for you to make such decisive comments based on a press release and not a medical report is irresponsible.

I can't help but notice the parallel between this and what the lefties were saying about Dr. Frist's long-distance diagnosis of Terri Schiavo.


:popcorn:

I thought the same thing, but thought better of punching that tar baby. ;)

Of course, at least Frist is a medical doctor and had access to Schiavo's medical charts.
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AlbertaCrude
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Aug 2 2006, 10:08 AM

BTW, last year Peggy was so kind as to send MS and me a batch of delicious Christmas cookies.... Mrs. Crude's sound even more interesting. :wink:

Er.... they're not Mrs. Crude's cookies. :ph43r:
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ivorythumper
Aug 2 2006, 10:55 AM
Rick Zimmer
Aug 2 2006, 07:38 AM
ivorythumper
Aug 2 2006, 12:38 AM
I am always amazed at what awesome sleuthing abilities you have, Rick, and how you can so accurately diagnose Mel's affliction and necessary course of treatment from a press release.  You have a godlike intellect.

I have a brother with severe addictions and have been going through this for 30 years. I know very well how these programs work. The giveaway was when the press release said he was in rehab, not in treatment.

Handling addictions through rehabilitation is always basically the same procedures and when they finally get into rehab because of something as severe as an arrest compounded with his interaction with the police, he would be put into detox for at least a week if not longer and detox mandates no contact with the outside world at all.

Rick: You are jumping to massive conclusions. Unless you know precisely MG's schedule, where he is going, his course of care, what is metabolic process is, whether he actually required detox, whether they accurately used the distinction "rehab" vs "treatment", whether he is inpatient, outpatient or at home, that he is not using something like the Sinclair method or acupuncture detox, ad inifintum, you are making a guess, and basing a judgment off of a guess.

There are many treatments for alcoholism based on the various perspectives of the problem. They do tend to follow a certain method, but for you to make such decisive comments based on a press release and not a medical report is irresponsible.

OK, obviously you know so much more about this thumps.



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Rick Zimmer
Aug 2 2006, 01:30 PM
OK, obviously you know so much more about this thumps.

One doesn't need to know a whole lot to see when someone else is jumping to conclusions based on scant evidence.
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Aug 2 2006, 01:39 PM
Rick Zimmer
Aug 2 2006, 01:30 PM
OK, obviously you know so much more about this thumps.

One doesn't need to know a whole lot to see when someone else is jumping to conclusions based on scant evidence.

No need to defend yourself, thumps. You are, of course, right. I have said so.

I know nothing of which I speak. You, on the other hand, have obviously studied this at depth knowing all of the various types of treatments that can be used.

And you obviously know that when talking about treatments for addiction, the word "rehab" or "rehabilitation" doesn't mean anything specific at all.
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Great job Rick!

...after all, the first step to recovery is acknowledgment of reality. :P
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Aug 2 2006, 02:03 PM
Great job Rick!

...after all, the first step to recovery is acknowledgment of reality. :P

Actually, no, Isaac.

The first step in recovering from an addiction to alcohol is to accept that one is powerless over it.
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Aug 2 2006, 12:43 PM
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Rick Zimmer
Aug 2 2006, 07:25 PM
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Aug 2 2006, 02:03 PM
Great job Rick!

...after all, the first step to recovery is acknowledgment of reality. :P

Actually, no, Isaac.

The first step in recovering from an addiction to alcohol is to accept that one is powerless over it.

That works in this situation, too! :lol:
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Jeffrey
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IT: Do you not realize when you are being an idiot, or do you realize it, but just don't care? I've never figured that out about you.
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Jeffrey
Aug 2 2006, 06:06 PM
IT: Do you not realize when you are being an idiot, or do you realize it, but just don't care? I've never figured that out about you.

What's your point, Jeff? Do you have one, or is this just another opportunity to make a personal attack?
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At least he's not lying or spreading falsehoods about another member this time! :thumb:
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Jeffrey
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IT: I guess it is option two, you really don't have any self-awareness.

And yes, I did have a specific point why I made my comment now, and not in some other context. Can you figure out what it is? Re-read the last dozen posts or so, and then get back to me.
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Jeffrey
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89: You mean like the fact that many Christians hate gays? The truth hurts here, but it will be good for you.

I think if Gibson really wants to recover (and yes, Rick, I realize that it is likely his apology is a media relations ploy to save his career, not a heartfelt and hardwon realization), he should apologize to gays as well for the harm he does to them. And since IT brought it up, yes, I think giving his wealth away to Jewish and gay causes would be an excellent sign of sincerity, and help him recover from his alcoholism as he claims he wants to!! Keep the good ideas coming!!!
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Jeffboy: Do you mean the fact that YOU encourage the killing of Catholics?

The truth hurts, but it'll be good for you. ;)

Perhaps you should stop spreading lies now? With your dumbass general or individual insults and lies about others, you should be ashamed.

Go ahead, embarass yourself again. Be my guest. :thumb:
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Jeffrey
Aug 2 2006, 06:18 PM
IT: I guess it is option two, you really don't have any self-awareness.

And yes, I did have a specific point why I made my comment now, and not in some other context. Can you figure out what it is? Re-read the last dozen posts or so, and then get back to me.

I have better things to do than waste my time trying to read your mind. Since you're not willing to make a constructive comment or a criticism about something I wrote, I'll have to assume that it's option two, and you are just making another personal attack. True to form.
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Jeffrey
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IT: It's sort of like a zen koan. You need to work it through yourself experientally, since it requires an awareness that is not purely logical. Again, I do have a quite definate point to my comment.

89: You are an excellent representative of your belief system. I am sure IT is happy to have you on his side!!!
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If you are referring to how I'll defend anyone who is falsely accused of something (anti-semitism, anti-americanism, bigotry, hating gays, etc), then I'll take that as a compliment.

Continue lying...it's really working to your benefit. :lol:
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Aug 2 2006, 07:19 PM
IT: It's sort of like a zen koan. You need to work it through yourself experientally, since it requires an awareness that is not purely logical. Again, I do have a quite definate point to my comment.

How can one who is enlightened enough to develop koans resort to personal attacks?

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