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East Coast Heat Wave From Hell; how are you staying cool?
Topic Started: Aug 1 2006, 07:12 AM (727 Views)
Phlebas
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ivorythumper
Aug 1 2006, 10:27 AM


Now for over-population -- New Jersey is significantly more densely populated than even India, let alone AZ.

Any other misunderstanding you'd like me to rectify? :wink:

That should be your state slogan - "Hey, you're better off here than in New Jersey!"
Random FML: Today, I was fired by my boss in front of my coworkers. It would have been nice if I could have left the building before they started celebrating. FML

The founding of the bulk of the world's nation states post 1914 is based on self-defined nationalisms. The bulk of those national movements involve territory that was ethnically mixed. The foundation of many of those nation states involved population movements in the aftermath. When the only one that is repeatedly held up as unjust and unjustifiable is the Zionist project, the term anti-semitism may very well be appropriate. - P*D


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HOLY CARP!!!
Phlebas
Aug 1 2006, 02:39 PM
ivorythumper
Aug 1 2006, 10:27 AM


Now for over-population -- New Jersey is significantly more densely populated than even India, let alone AZ. 

Any other misunderstanding you'd like me to rectify?  :wink:

That should be your state slogan - "Hey, you're better off here than in New Jersey!"

That slogan would fly for any state minus Delaware.
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I am so adjective that I verb nouns!
Phlebas
Aug 1 2006, 11:39 AM
ivorythumper
Aug 1 2006, 10:27 AM


Now for over-population -- New Jersey is significantly more densely populated than even India, let alone AZ. 

Any other misunderstanding you'd like me to rectify?  :wink:

That should be your state slogan - "Hey, you're better off here than in New Jersey!"

:lol: A bit too obvious perhaps...
The dogma lives loudly within me.
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ivorythumper
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I am so adjective that I verb nouns!
The 89th Key
Aug 1 2006, 11:28 AM
Don't forget the whole 2 serial killers on the loose right now! :dead:

That just shows we've arrived!
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ivorythumper
Aug 1 2006, 02:27 PM
Aqua Letifer
Aug 1 2006, 11:21 AM
Minus the whole dam/irrigation thing, overpopulation and the such, sure!

Why is damming and irrigation bad? The first peoples did it here -- aren't they above reproach?

Also, you should know that agriculture uses 4x the water per acre than residential, so the more AZ land is converted from ag to rez, the better it is for the water system.

Now for over-population -- New Jersey is significantly more densely populated than even India, let alone AZ.

Any other misunderstanding you'd like me to rectify? :wink:

Urban sprawl. Ick.
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Christopher T
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I don't live far from Phlebas and we didn't lose power, thankfully. My building has "central a/c", which is really an evaporative cooling system. Anyone know why that's the stupidest thing ever for my building to have? Because they only work in hot and dry climates. Not NYC humidity!

My apartment is struggling to stay below 80 degrees and I have a dehumidifier running constantly to keep it below 50 percent humidity.

I can't wait to move into my own house with REAL central a/c. :sword:
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Christopher T
Aug 1 2006, 01:50 PM
I don't live far from Phlebas and we didn't lose power, thankfully. My building has "central a/c", which is really an evaporative cooling system. Anyone know why that's the stupidest thing ever for my building to have? Because they only work in hot and dry climates. Not NYC humidity!

My apartment is struggling to stay below 80 degrees and I have a dehumidifier running constantly to keep it below 50 percent humidity.

I can't wait to move into my own house with REAL central a/c. :sword:

Older homes in AZ have them also, but they don't work during the August and Sept monsoon seasons. When humidity is 15 - 50% they cool the place down well, but they blow a lot of air around.
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Aqua Letifer
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ivorythumper
Aug 1 2006, 10:27 AM
Aqua Letifer
Aug 1 2006, 11:21 AM
Minus the whole dam/irrigation thing, overpopulation and the such, sure!

Why is damming and irrigation bad? The first peoples did it here -- aren't they above reproach?

Also, you should know that agriculture uses 4x the water per acre than residential, so the more AZ land is converted from ag to rez, the better it is for the water system.

Now for over-population -- New Jersey is significantly more densely populated than even India, let alone AZ.

Any other misunderstanding you'd like me to rectify? :wink:

I hope you are playing devil's advocate here, IT. If not, though, allow me to throw down. ^_^

It's a side note, but it should be said that it's a fallacy to point to natural processes, and relate them to our own as a means of justifying our technology. Beaver dams aren't the same as the Hoover, for example, and small-scale human activities like brush burning, river damming, slash-and-burn agriculture, and game hunting can have a positive impact on the environment, whereas large-scale practices are a huge detriment, because they are actually not in the same category.

Anyway, irrigation can deplete underground aquifers, which is especially dangerous in the Midwest where the water table is so low to begin with. In addition, irrigation in soil which is not geologically used to so much saturation (like some in the Midwest) can lose its structural integrity, and buildings/road surfaces/etc may lose their ground support as a result. This soil composition may also be prone to high surface water runoff, which can cause water quality issues (especially in agricultural/residental land uses)

Damming is extremely bad for the environment. It is true it is a popular practice, but it has serious ramifications for the river’s ecosystem that resides downstream. Lack of riverbed sediment and suspended solids, harsh water temperature changes, the breaking up of migration patterns in fish (and fish ladders are just plain inferior to having a through river channel), issues with anoxia, and bioaccumulation of toxic metals are just a small handful of changes a dam can bring to a river basin.

As for overpopulation, well, just because New Jersey has the densest population doesn't leave Phoenix off the hook. (A fallacy I'm sure you caught.) I'm actually reading a great Science Magazine article right now that summarized historic water quality, living resources, and geological data as a function of local human impact on the environment. There were over 30 selected study sites, all very diverse (even in the degree of human influence throughout history), but the findings are remarkably similar: human influences are directly related to the decline in environmental health. From this study, it is safe to say that the overpopulation of Phoenix (and other urban areas, of course) has degraded the local environment to some considerable degree.
I cite irreconcilable differences.
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It's 11:30. Current humidex 108F. Current air temperature inside my apartment, even though I've had the AC on all day (set at 78, but it hasn't shut off) and haven't opened the door since 3pm, have the blinds drawn, etc: 85F. :P
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George K
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Down to 79 in southern Wisconsin. Storms tomorrow.
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HOLY CARP!!!
George K
Aug 1 2006, 11:35 PM
Down to 79 in southern Wisconsin. Storms tomorrow.

Send 'em our way when you're down with 'em, George. It's awfully muggy :(
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I must have a prodigious quantity of mind; it takes me as much as a week, sometimes, to make it up.
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We shall not cease from exploration
And the end of all our exploring
Will be to arrive where we started
And know the place for the first time.
-T. S. Eliot
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Welcome to New Jersey. Now get the hell out.......

It's 68 degrees in my house.......
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ivorythumper
Aug 1 2006, 01:27 PM
Aqua Letifer
Aug 1 2006, 11:21 AM
Minus the whole dam/irrigation thing, overpopulation and the such, sure!

Why is damming and irrigation bad? The first peoples did it here -- aren't they above reproach?

Also, you should know that agriculture uses 4x the water per acre than residential, so the more AZ land is converted from ag to rez, the better it is for the water system.

Now for over-population -- New Jersey is significantly more densely populated than even India, let alone AZ.

Any other misunderstanding you'd like me to rectify? :wink:

i don't know that i agree that urbanization is better. For one thing concrete does not allow rainfall to seep into the ground.. off it goes in storm channels and is diverted down the road, so to speak.. That's really bad for for underground water stores. Also water is 'stolen' from upstream, compromising agriculture in many instances. Whole smaller communities can fail from this water diversion.

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John D'Oh
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On my drive to work, the roadside display claimed 88 degrees, at 7.30am. They're forecasting 102, and 'feels like' 115. Feels like hell, more like.
What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket?
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George K
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Looks like a good day to go on a Piano Safari, then tomorrow POOL TIME! :woot:
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"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... "
- Mik, 6/14/08


Nothing is as effective as homeopathy.

I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles.
- Klaus, 4/29/18
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What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket?
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George K
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Heat Wave

Who's Heat Wave?
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"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... "
- Mik, 6/14/08


Nothing is as effective as homeopathy.

I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles.
- Klaus, 4/29/18
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Aug 2 2006, 01:43 PM
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You rang?
Like Austin Powers, only more mature.
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