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| Mel Gibson and the ****ing Jews | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Jul 30 2006, 09:43 AM (2,839 Views) | |
| ivorythumper | Jul 31 2006, 08:52 AM Post #101 |
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I am so adjective that I verb nouns!
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Revealing of what, Phleebs? I've worked for Jews who are real mensches: they were very generous to me in a time of great need, and while we have lost touch due to life circumstances I continue to hold them dear in my heart. If and when we ever get together again I am confident that the friendship and mutual respect would resume immediately. You can infer anything you want, but you would be wrong to continue following the lynch party that is forming here. |
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| AlbertaCrude | Jul 31 2006, 08:58 AM Post #102 |
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Bull-Carp
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Our country? I doubt it. |
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| John D'Oh | Jul 31 2006, 09:06 AM Post #103 |
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MAMIL
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How is buying a high mileage vehicle going to solve the crisis in social security, pension funds and post-retirement healthcare? Maybe it will allow aged Americans to drive to Canada for cheaper drugs?
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| The 89th Key | Jul 31 2006, 09:43 AM Post #104 |
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While you infer, could you also answer my question? How is it revealing? Ivory has asked you the same thing. You should know by now that I will rarely sit back when I or someone else is incorrectly accussed of something. If you are inferring that Ivory is an anti-semite, then go on. But I already made it clear with both normal and silly examples, that what Ivory said (that perhaps Gibson's anti-semitism may have it's source in his Hollywood interaction) is not offensive nor irrational. Think about it. |
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| Kincaid | Jul 31 2006, 09:46 AM Post #105 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Some of my best friends are Jews. |
| Kincaid - disgusted Republican Partisan since 2006. | |
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| Phlebas | Jul 31 2006, 09:51 AM Post #106 |
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Bull-Carp
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I don't want to sound unkind. What it reveals - or reaffirms - is, despite protestation to the contrary, IT is like the rest of us - not morally inferior, but not morally superior either. |
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Random FML: Today, I was fired by my boss in front of my coworkers. It would have been nice if I could have left the building before they started celebrating. FML The founding of the bulk of the world's nation states post 1914 is based on self-defined nationalisms. The bulk of those national movements involve territory that was ethnically mixed. The foundation of many of those nation states involved population movements in the aftermath. When the only one that is repeatedly held up as unjust and unjustifiable is the Zionist project, the term anti-semitism may very well be appropriate. - P*D | |
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| Phlebas | Jul 31 2006, 09:52 AM Post #107 |
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Indeed |
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Random FML: Today, I was fired by my boss in front of my coworkers. It would have been nice if I could have left the building before they started celebrating. FML The founding of the bulk of the world's nation states post 1914 is based on self-defined nationalisms. The bulk of those national movements involve territory that was ethnically mixed. The foundation of many of those nation states involved population movements in the aftermath. When the only one that is repeatedly held up as unjust and unjustifiable is the Zionist project, the term anti-semitism may very well be appropriate. - P*D | |
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| The 89th Key | Jul 31 2006, 09:58 AM Post #108 |
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I'm just confused as to where you would infer anything about Ivory's moral status from what he said. I asked where Gibson's source of anti-semitism might come from and Ivory mentioned that Gibson has worked in the volatile environment of Hollywood where there is unquestionably a large presence of Jews, and that experience may have been a source for Gibson's anti-semetic comments. This says nothing bad about Jews, and says nothing about Ivory's character. |
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| John D'Oh | Jul 31 2006, 09:58 AM Post #109 |
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Geez guys, don't you think you're taking this a bit far? I often disagree with much of what IT says, but I think you might want to cut him a break here. Ad-hominem attacks, or worse, in my opinion, innuendo, don't exactly make for free and open discussion, do they? |
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| dolmansaxlil | Jul 31 2006, 10:01 AM Post #110 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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I agree, on all counts. (Mark this one on your calendar, IT, it's not often I'll defend you )
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"Your first 10,000 photographs are your worst." ~ Henri Cartier-Bresson My Flickr Photostream | |
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| The 89th Key | Jul 31 2006, 10:01 AM Post #111 |
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Dol, just got back from a Pro-Life rally, I see?
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| ivorythumper | Jul 31 2006, 10:02 AM Post #112 |
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I am so adjective that I verb nouns!
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WTF does that mean? I never made a single claim of moral superiority, and nothing I wrote indicates anything about my judgment of myself or others. Do you think that because I frequently try to lay out a structure of moral thought that this is some sort of moral high handedness? So for you anyone who asks moral questions, or offers a way of navigating the moral sphere is claiming superiority? Does it not occur to you that those who are asking the questions and offering reflections might be acutely aware of their own moral standing, and place themselves comfortably within the mass of all humanity? I am not a very good painter, but I can tell good art from bad art. And part of becoming a good painter is acquiring an eye for what works and what doesn't, long before anything is mastered. Another part is developing the habits of good painting, and studying the way good painters paint, and talking about good painting with others who are either good painters or want to be good painters, and practicing. None of that is about superiority, Phleebs. You are projecting your own issues here. |
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| ivorythumper | Jul 31 2006, 10:04 AM Post #113 |
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I am so adjective that I verb nouns!
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to both of you. Thank you.
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| Aqua Letifer | Jul 31 2006, 10:13 AM Post #114 |
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ZOOOOOM!
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Yeah, I don't get this either. I'm trying to look for IT's "revealing comments" in this thread, and I've read everything over a couple times now, and I don't even see what everyone's referring to. Far as I can see, things be fine. Or at least they should be since there's nothing in here that should get anyone's panties up in a bunch. Leave that job to today's ridiculous humidity. |
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| The 89th Key | Jul 31 2006, 10:18 AM Post #115 |
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No doubt Aqua...I ate lunch outside today. That was fun.
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| Phlebas | Jul 31 2006, 10:20 AM Post #116 |
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Bull-Carp
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IT. I have no issues with you. I rarely even have any exchanges with you. Consider it dropped. |
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Random FML: Today, I was fired by my boss in front of my coworkers. It would have been nice if I could have left the building before they started celebrating. FML The founding of the bulk of the world's nation states post 1914 is based on self-defined nationalisms. The bulk of those national movements involve territory that was ethnically mixed. The foundation of many of those nation states involved population movements in the aftermath. When the only one that is repeatedly held up as unjust and unjustifiable is the Zionist project, the term anti-semitism may very well be appropriate. - P*D | |
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| sue | Jul 31 2006, 10:24 AM Post #117 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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I don't get it either, so will throw my name in as well. Since I rarely agree with you, IT, I should take this opportunity to play nice.
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| John D'Oh | Jul 31 2006, 10:27 AM Post #118 |
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We'll lull him into a false sense of security, and then BAM! he won't know what hit him.
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| sue | Jul 31 2006, 10:33 AM Post #119 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Heh heh. Good plan, Dr. John
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| Jeffrey | Jul 31 2006, 04:59 PM Post #120 |
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IT: "tell people that they don't have freedom of speech, discourse and inquiry when it comes to speaking about that particular group. You can train people to walk on eggshells around your favorite caste of people, and train people that any comments, questions, or criticism of your favorite caste of people is evil, hateful, and to be stomped out by whatever means necessary, but that will only make things worse. " "criticism of your favorite caste of people"?? Please continue. |
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| Jeffrey | Jul 31 2006, 05:08 PM Post #121 |
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bach, jon - I disagree that the Passion is no more anti-semitic than the NT itself. One can chose many parts of the NT to emphasize. If Gibson wanted to make a movie about Jesus, he could have chosen to make a movie about how Jesus taught that we should do good to those who hate us and that it is harder for a rich person to enter heaven than a camel to pass through the eye of a needle. These comments are also in the NT. Gibson did not make a movie about those interesting and provocative themes. He chose to produce a sadomasochistic gore-fest, similar to a midevil German passion play, with all the traditional anti-semitic portions of the NT emphasized and highlighted. |
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| AlbertaCrude | Jul 31 2006, 05:13 PM Post #122 |
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I agree, but that wouldn't have put a lot of bums in seats. |
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| Jeffrey | Jul 31 2006, 05:16 PM Post #123 |
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Also, it is not clear to me that Gibson apologized. Here is what he said: "I disgraced myself and my family with my behavior and for that I am truly sorry. I have battled with the disease of alcoholism for all of my adult life and profoundly regret my horrific relapse." He is not sorry for anti-semitism. He is sorry he disgraced himself. His concern is self-centered and egotistical, not moral. |
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| AlbertaCrude | Jul 31 2006, 06:02 PM Post #124 |
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Bull-Carp
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It's now clear that Gibson's act of contrition is for having wet and fouled himself whilst in a drunken state. |
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| John D'Oh | Jul 31 2006, 06:24 PM Post #125 |
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MAMIL
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In the report I read he also said: 'I acted like a person completely out of control when I was arrested, and said things that I do not believe to be true and which are despicable. "I am deeply ashamed of everything I said and I apologize to anyone who I have offended.' Let's face it, it is extremely unlikely that he would not apologize for the anti-semitism, whether he meant it or not. Nobody could be that stupid. Personally, I think there's good and bad in all of us. We've just seen some of the bad in someone who happens to be famous and an alcoholic. |
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