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Mel Gibson and the ****ing Jews
Topic Started: Jul 30 2006, 09:43 AM (2,840 Views)
dolmansaxlil
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I totally disagree with the US Jewish Anti-Defamation League. While Gibson's remarks were absolutely uncalled for, he made them during a police statement, which is not a public event. If he were not famous, his remarks wouldn't have been leaked to the press, let alone commented on. They shouldn't be just because he is famous.
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Jul 30 2006, 09:47 PM
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Jul 30 2006, 06:30 PM
Having seen Gibson's recent disatribe,

I am not sure a drunken rant qualifies as a diatribe.

So was his movie "The Patriot" anti-English? Or "Braveheart"? Why aren't the anglophiles up in arms about those movies? (I just know I'm going to get John D'oh started!).

Really IT, from your remarks, you'd almost think that I was prone to start up on ill-thought out and ill-informed ranting. :lol:

Why does nobody ever jump in and question Hollywood's anti-English bias? How many well-spoken but dastardly Englishmen does it take before the public finally says 'ENOUGH! IT'S TIME TO STOP LAUGHING AT OUR BETTERS! WE'RE COLONIALS, WE NEED TO ACCEPT THIS FACT'.

Oh sorry, did I say that out loud?

:)
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I guess no one writing here has ever been drunk and no one has or ever has had an ounce of prejudice of any sort in their hearts except me.

I know that I have had thoughts, some of which amounted to beliefs, of which I am not proud and which I have worked to rid myself of. I know some still exist in parts of my mind when I sense a wisp of fear or suspicion zip through the synapses when I encounter certain stimuli. Having had, over the years, some experience with the effects of alcohol, I am not at all surprised that some such thought could rise to the level of expression in a state of reduced inhibition. It could be words, it could be actions, it could just be a momentary shudder, but I could give my inner thoughts outer expression.

I think the Ben Stein remarks about "sinister and alien" apply to some spins put on this incident. I would prefer to think that it represents the darker side of Mr. Gibson that he struggles against rather than a complete and perfect revelation of his true feelings. I may be Pollyanna, but I much prefer to see the bright and beautiful than the sordid and ugly and I try to look at people through that set of rose-colored glasses.

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IT - I too was taken aback by your first comment in this thread. Even if you didn't mean it this way, it came off as if you were saying that having worked with or for Jews gives one reason to be anti-semitic.


Look, in IT's defense....it's the same thing as if I said I hated black people. Someone might say, "Where does Isaac's racism come from?" and a friend replying, "Perhaps he developed it when he lived in that apartment complex with 95% black people."

(For the record, I'm not racist in the least bit)

My point is, Ivory's comment isn't in the least bit offensive or inaccurate. He was throwing out the idea that the irrational anti-semitism may have developed with Gibson's significant interactions with Jews in Hollywood. Not saying that Jews own ALL of Hollywood or that Jews are bad....but PERHAPS THAT IS THE SOURCE of his anti-semitism which I was asking about.

Jeez, it's not that complicated.
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Jul 31 2006, 09:20 AM
I guess no one writing here has ever been drunk and no one has or ever has had an ounce of prejudice of any sort in their hearts except me.

Very well put, Big Al. I'll admit to prejudice, too. I don't like it, and I try my very best not to act upon it, and it is a very small part of me, but it is there. I'm not even going to admit what kind of a prejudice it is, I'm so ashamed of it, but it's there nonetheless.

I think we all tend to get a bit holier than thou when we talk about prejudice.

As for being drunk, I'll take the 5th. :lol2:
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Jul 31 2006, 05:28 AM


Look, in IT's defense....it's the same thing as if I said I hated black people. Someone might say, "Where does Isaac's racism come from?" and a friend replying, "Perhaps he developed it when he lived in that apartment complex with 95% black people."


(end of lightening things up)

So the assumption would be that the problems one would have in an apratment building is the result of skin color of the other tenants. Or, the the problems Gibson might encounter in the Hollywood system is the result of the religion of some powerful people who work there.

Sorry, IT's comment was quite revealing.
Random FML: Today, I was fired by my boss in front of my coworkers. It would have been nice if I could have left the building before they started celebrating. FML

The founding of the bulk of the world's nation states post 1914 is based on self-defined nationalisms. The bulk of those national movements involve territory that was ethnically mixed. The foundation of many of those nation states involved population movements in the aftermath. When the only one that is repeatedly held up as unjust and unjustifiable is the Zionist project, the term anti-semitism may very well be appropriate. - P*D


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john d'oh said...
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I'm not even going to admit what kind of a prejudice it is,


let me guess...u cant stand blondes in tight skirts showering u with love.

i know, ive been there also, but sometimes u just have to accept that in this modern age, we cant be so bigoted, we must be open minded.
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Phlebas
Jul 31 2006, 08:29 AM
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"I'll come along peacefully. The choke hold won't be necessary."

(just trying to lighten things up)

That wasn't funny.

THIS is funny:

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(OK, so your post was funny!)
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Jul 31 2006, 09:36 AM
john d'oh said...
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I'm not even going to admit what kind of a prejudice it is,


let me guess...u cant stand blondes in tight skirts showering u with love.

i know, ive been there also, but sometimes u just have to accept that in this modern age, we cant be so bigoted, we must be open minded.

I don't mind regular blondes showering me with love, it's only the Swedish ones I can't abide. I suggested to Mrs. D'Oh that I should attend aversion therapy classes in Stockholm, but she just started hitting me with a frying pan for some reason. I guess maybe she's anti-Swede too.

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Jul 31 2006, 05:37 AM
Phlebas
Jul 31 2006, 08:29 AM
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"I'll come along peacefully. The choke hold won't be necessary."

(just trying to lighten things up)

That wasn't funny.

THIS is funny:

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(OK, so your post was funny!)

Yep - mine was funny. Yours was scary.



(Back OT) And for the record, I have my own prejudices. The trick is not being "perfect" and thinking only good thoughts. It's recognizing the bad thoughts and urges you have, and being able to handle them.
Random FML: Today, I was fired by my boss in front of my coworkers. It would have been nice if I could have left the building before they started celebrating. FML

The founding of the bulk of the world's nation states post 1914 is based on self-defined nationalisms. The bulk of those national movements involve territory that was ethnically mixed. The foundation of many of those nation states involved population movements in the aftermath. When the only one that is repeatedly held up as unjust and unjustifiable is the Zionist project, the term anti-semitism may very well be appropriate. - P*D


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A few facts among a lot of conjecture:

1. Gibson was legally drunk.

2. Gibson was driving way over the speedlimit.

3. While drunk, he let his big mouth overload his hummingbird butt.

4. He has apologized, as much as one can considering the legal circumstances, for being an ass.

5. Being the big boy he is, he will have to suffer whatever punishment deemed sufficient by the court.

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Jul 31 2006, 09:47 AM

(Back OT) And for the record, I have my own prejudices. The trick is not being "perfect" and thinking only good thoughts. It's recognizing the bad thoughts and urges you have, and being able to handle them.

SERENITY NOW!
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Jul 31 2006, 05:54 AM

SERENITY NOW!

I think it works better if you say it without allcaps.
Random FML: Today, I was fired by my boss in front of my coworkers. It would have been nice if I could have left the building before they started celebrating. FML

The founding of the bulk of the world's nation states post 1914 is based on self-defined nationalisms. The bulk of those national movements involve territory that was ethnically mixed. The foundation of many of those nation states involved population movements in the aftermath. When the only one that is repeatedly held up as unjust and unjustifiable is the Zionist project, the term anti-semitism may very well be appropriate. - P*D


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Jul 31 2006, 10:02 AM
John D'Oh
Jul 31 2006, 05:54 AM

SERENITY NOW!

I think it works better if you say it without allcaps.

[size=14]SERENITY NOW!!![/size]
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Jul 31 2006, 05:20 AM
I guess no one writing here has ever been drunk and no one has or ever has had an ounce of prejudice of any sort in their hearts except me.


Not to worry Al, I admit it too. Drunk or sober, I really don't care for Wogs or their hashish inspired religious superstition.
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kenny
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I admit and demonatrate here all the time that I am a bigot.

I discriminate against people who discriminate. :blink:
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More Silliness:

Transcript Reveals Target Of Mel Gibson's Inebriated Tirade Was The English

The saga of Mel Gibson's DUI arrest took an unexpected turn today when the transcript of the arresting officer's conversation with the acclaimed actor/producer was leaked to the public.

"I was a bit starstruck at first when I pulled him over," said the arresting officer, L.A. County Sheriff's Deputy James Mee. "I mean, this was Mel-freakin'-Gibson. I've been a huge fan of his since I was a kid. But after talking to him for about five seconds I realized that this was going to be business as usual."

Suspecting that there might be trouble, Deputy Mee made the decision to audiotape the encounter:

Deputy Mee: Do you know why I pulled you over Mr. Gibson?

Mel Gibson: I answer to no man. And who is this 'Mr. Gibson' you speak of with such familiarity?

Deputy Mee: The way you were driving you almost hit that guy a few miles back.

Mel Gibson: He looked English to me.

Deputy Mee: If he hadn't jumped out of the way he'd be dead!

Mel Gibson: Aye, if he had stayed in my path he might have died, and if I drove sober he'd likely live. At least a while. And dying in his bed many years from now, would he be willing to trade all the nights from this night to that for one chance, just one chance, to stay out of the mother-f***ing road while I was driving?!?!?

Deputy Mee: He was on the sidewalk when your car jumped the curb.

Mel Gibson: Lies!

Deputy Mee: License and registration please.

Mel Gibson: Did the vile fiend Edward the Long-shanks produce a license when he instituted his policies of theft, rape and murder on my countrymen?

Deputy Mee: Your countrymen?

Mel Gibson: Aye. My fellow Scotsmen.

Deputy Mee: Ummm... your Australian aren't you?

Mel Gibson: I answer to none save the Almighty.

Deputy Mee: Please step out of the car slowly and leave your hands where I can see them Mr. Gibson.

Mel Gibson: I think not. From what I've heard thus far, I have reason enough to suspect that you are merely a pawn of the Long-shanks.

Deputy Mee: Are you disobeying a direct order from a police officer?

Mel Gibson: From your kind? Absolutely. Here are my terms. Lower your weapon, and drive your iron horse straight back to your garrison stopping on your way to give a bottle of Glenfiddich to every Scotsman you see...

Deputy Mee: (Into his radio) I'm gonna need some back up on this one.

Mel Gibson: ...along the way. Do this and you may live. Do it not and I'll cut your f***ing head off! (Pulling out a six-foot sword)... You may take my life... but you'll never take... my car keysssss!!!!

Deputy Mee: Better make it quick.

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Jul 31 2006, 06:36 AM
I admit and demonatrate here all the time that I am a bigot.

I discriminate against people who discriminate. :blink:

As well as people who drive large North American built trucks.
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Jul 31 2006, 07:02 AM
kenny
Jul 31 2006, 06:36 AM
I admit and demonatrate here all the time that I am a bigot.

I discriminate against people who discriminate.   :blink:

As well as people who drive large North American built trucks.

Yup!
True That!

Like all bigots I have my reasons.

Heavy oil consumption is not good.
Polution.
Politics.

The single most important thing a person can do to help the Number One problem facing our country is select a high MPG vehicle.
Or ride a bike.
I'm not THAT pure.

Like all bigots I have my reasons.
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Jul 31 2006, 06:55 AM
More Silliness:


:lol:

Deputy Mee: Put him in the lock-up. He's about to get introduced to another Long Shank.
Random FML: Today, I was fired by my boss in front of my coworkers. It would have been nice if I could have left the building before they started celebrating. FML

The founding of the bulk of the world's nation states post 1914 is based on self-defined nationalisms. The bulk of those national movements involve territory that was ethnically mixed. The foundation of many of those nation states involved population movements in the aftermath. When the only one that is repeatedly held up as unjust and unjustifiable is the Zionist project, the term anti-semitism may very well be appropriate. - P*D


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Jul 31 2006, 09:34 AM
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Jul 31 2006, 05:28 AM


Look, in IT's defense....it's the same thing as if I said I hated black people. Someone might say, "Where does Isaac's racism come from?" and a friend replying, "Perhaps he developed it when he lived in that apartment complex with 95% black people."


(end of lightening things up)

So the assumption would be that the problems one would have in an apratment building is the result of skin color of the other tenants. Or, the the problems Gibson might encounter in the Hollywood system is the result of the religion of some powerful people who work there.

Sorry, IT's comment was quite revealing.

Revealing how so?

For a silly example...lets say someone is afraid of cakes. Yes, cakes.

I asked why would one have an irrational fear of cakes.

IT said that well...that person had been working with cakes for a while.

Cakes aren't inherently dangerous, but perhaps someone's long exposure to them maybe indeed be the source of such an irrational fear.

IT was only saying that perhaps the SOURCE of Gibson's anti-semitism somewhere stems from his working with jewish people all the time.

To infer anything beyond IT's comment is wrong.
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Jul 31 2006, 07:54 AM
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Jul 31 2006, 09:34 AM
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Jul 31 2006, 05:28 AM


Look, in IT's defense....it's the same thing as if I said I hated black people. Someone might say, "Where does Isaac's racism come from?" and a friend replying, "Perhaps he developed it when he lived in that apartment complex with 95% black people."


(end of lightening things up)

So the assumption would be that the problems one would have in an apratment building is the result of skin color of the other tenants. Or, the the problems Gibson might encounter in the Hollywood system is the result of the religion of some powerful people who work there.

Sorry, IT's comment was quite revealing.

Revealing how so?

For a silly example...lets say someone is afraid of cakes. Yes, cakes.

I asked why would one have an irrational fear of cakes.

IT said that well...that person had been working with cakes for a while.

Cakes aren't inherently dangerous, but perhaps someone's long exposure to them maybe indeed be the source of such an irrational fear.

IT was only saying that perhaps the SOURCE of Gibson's anti-semitism somewhere stems from his working with jewish people all the time.

To infer anything beyond IT's comment is wrong.

I'll just go ahead and infer what I want to - despite protestations.

BTW, your example is pretty silly.

IT is fully capable of defending his statements here. He does so pretty much ad nauseum. No reason to go to the nth degree with examples.

BTW, I already said I'm far from perfect.



Random FML: Today, I was fired by my boss in front of my coworkers. It would have been nice if I could have left the building before they started celebrating. FML

The founding of the bulk of the world's nation states post 1914 is based on self-defined nationalisms. The bulk of those national movements involve territory that was ethnically mixed. The foundation of many of those nation states involved population movements in the aftermath. When the only one that is repeatedly held up as unjust and unjustifiable is the Zionist project, the term anti-semitism may very well be appropriate. - P*D


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Jul 30 2006, 10:02 PM
IT, you must be joking. Do you really expect me to believe that your comment about Jews running Hollywood was a non sequitor? It was in response to 89th's comment that he didn't understand how anyone could be an anti-Semite "without apparent reason."

You opine that an apparent reason is all the angst he went through when working for the 60% of Jews who run Hollywood.

As Stein says, "The only real reason why the question of whether Jews "run" Hollywood is at all interesting is because there is some residual thought...that Jews are sinister and alien. "

You assumed that Gibson's experiences with the Jews in Hollywood must have been negative ("sinister and alien," to quote Stein), otherwise they would not have served to "confirm his bias."

Allow me to quote Stein from later in the article: "I marvel that when people criticize the auto industry for making trucks that catch fire when they are struck and cars that turn over on a turn, no one ever says 'the gentile auto industry'....As far as I can recall, Hollywood, and only Hollywood, gets the treatment as being somehow sinister and alien."

Nina: it was a not a non sequitor, and it does not suggest that the Jews run Hollywood. In fact, as Ben Stein notes, Hollywood is too disorganized to be run by anyone. However, it can be assumed that Gibson has been regularly involved in the course of his career with a lot of Jews who are very determined and influential and wealthy and powerful, and who might even lord that power over others. .

Step aside from that for a moment and consider that had his experiences with these men and woman been all sweetness and light, then he prejudices would have probably been dismantled. Yet any adverse interactions would probably confirm his prejudices. Do you really think that the Hollywood studio system is the paragon of virtue and business ethics? It is shark infested waters and it chews up people regularly. Hundreds of millions and billions are at stake with a major movie. It is a vicious system, and I would suspect that there have not been many opportunities for Gibson's implanted prejudices to he overturned.

This has nothign to do with Jews vs Gentiles, per se -- it is part of the human condition. It is ridiculous that people here make this out to be antisemitic remarks on my part or my defending Gibson. I won't be stiffled by anyone trying to claim that I am making antisemitic remarks. In fact, if you all want to create valid grounds for antisemitism, then start trying to tell people that they don't have freedom of speech, discourse and inquiry when it comes to speaking about that particular group. You can train people to walk on eggshells around your favorite caste of people, and train people that any comments, questions, or criticism of your favorite caste of people is evil, hateful, and to be stomped out by whatever means necessary, but that will only make things worse.
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I've thought Gibson might be anti-semetic for a while - he got into it with a columnist a while back. If memory serves, when Gibson was making his Passion he made all kinds of comments about forces that were trying to keep him from making the movie. He somewhat implied a Jewish conspiracy at the time. What the columnist said was that there was little or no concern over his making the film - even little awareness of the film outside of hollywood. Gibson made it sound like he was being persecuted for trying to make the film. It did get him publicity at the time - but it seemed a poor way of doing it.

Like Tom Cruise and John Travolta, I have to think MG is a couple cards short of a deck - might do some cool things and have some talent - but sadly, he's wacko.
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