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Mel Gibson and the ****ing Jews
Topic Started: Jul 30 2006, 09:43 AM (2,842 Views)
kenny
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Now that we're fairly certain the man is a bigot, I'll probably never see another Mel Gibson film. That's sad. I've always enjoyed his flicks. But, I can't support a bigot. And he's a dishonest sleazy bigot at that. Trying to hide it so he can promote his films. Ugh!

But, I still feel sorry for him and his family. It's so awful.

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I've always said "bigots beget bigots". It has nothing to do with Hollywood. This was instilled in him as a child. He was probably raised this way.
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Jeffrey
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IT is defending a bigoted anti-semitic Catholic.

What else is new?
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Jeff is making incorrect and deceiving accusations about others.

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justme
Jul 30 2006, 05:44 PM
Now that we're fairly certain the man is a bigot, I'll probably never see another Mel Gibson film. That's sad. I've always enjoyed his flicks. But, I can't support a bigot. And he's a dishonest sleazy bigot at that. Trying to hide it so he can promote his films. Ugh!

I know what you mean, but with situations like this I figure there's good and bad in everyone. I can still marvel at the beauty of a Bobby Fischer chess game, for example, despite what he is or has become. In the unlikely event that Tom Cruise is ever in a movie I want to see, I won't let his RL personality stop me from watching it.
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So I guess this settles whether the Passion was anti-semitic.
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John D'Oh
Jul 30 2006, 05:54 PM
justme
Jul 30 2006, 05:44 PM
Now that we're fairly certain the man is a bigot, I'll probably never see another Mel Gibson film. That's sad. I've always enjoyed his flicks. But, I can't support a bigot. And he's a dishonest sleazy bigot at that. Trying to hide it so he can promote his films. Ugh!

I know what you mean, but with situations like this I figure there's good and bad in everyone. I can still marvel at the beauty of a Bobby Fischer chess game, for example, despite what he is or has become. In the unlikely event that Tom Cruise is ever in a movie I want to see, I won't let his RL personality stop me from watching it.

The difference being (IMHO) is Tom Cruise and Bobby Fischer are just loony and not necessarily dishonest.

Mel's been dishonest and has been displaying an "holier than thou", "I'm above such things", "I'm a good practicing Catholic" etc..... to promote himself and his films. He says he's not bigoted and that his behavior was shameful. Now, is this a man who's truly sorry or just a man who's sorry he's been caught?

People have made comments to me in the past about my supporting bigots (which I don't) but I do support honesty. And that's why I'll still see a Tom Cruise film but not now a Mel Gibson film.

I know, it's clear as mud but there it is. FWIW.

added edit: IMO good practicing Catholics should not be anti-Semitic. I was raised Catholic and taught to love everyone, no matter our differences.

And as to Hollywood having some influence on him in regard to this is poppycock.My first boss was Jewish and sexually harrassed me as a teenager. I was 15 and he was in his 70's. This was in the early 70's before anyone had even heard the term "sexual harrassment". Anyhow, I didn't decide to hate all Jews just because this one was a a$$hole. I didn't need to know his ethnic background to discover he was just a dirty old man.
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Jul 30 2006, 06:00 PM

The difference being (IMHO) is Tom Cruise and Bobby Fischer are just loony and not necessarily dishonest.

Yes, you have a point.
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This link has a link to a pdf file they say is the original 4-page police report that was ordered to be toned down since it was "too inflammatory".

http://www.tmz.com/2006/07/28/gibsons-anti...leged-cover-up/
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Gibson likely got his anti-semitism from Opus Dei. I can see why IT would like to deflect attention from this.
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Jeffrey is defending the killing of Catholics.

Oh wait...dont like false statements made about you? ;)
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The presupposition of this entire diatribe against the Jews running Hollywood is that somehow they were out to get Mel Gibson, that his experience was negative, that he was mistreated.

If Mel Gibson's career is what happens when you're mistreated, sign me up.

The entire thread, from IT's comment on, is pretty bizarre.
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I've sharpened my razor, re-examined this very difficult case, and have applied my Sherlock Holmes like intellect to all of it's intricacies.

The evidence:

1. He's got an anti-semitic whack-job loony bin candidate for a father.

2. He works for a number of Jewish people who give him vast amounts of money for playing 'let's pretend' and dressing up in silly clothes.

Hmmmm.

No, sorry, I'm still coming up with the whacko father.
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And where did Gibson's father get his anti-semitism from?
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Just a guess, but I'm guessing his father.
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Jul 30 2006, 08:12 PM
And where did Gibson's father get his anti-semitism from?

According to Wikipedia:

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Hutton Gibson is a Traditionalist Catholic. He goes further than many, however, embracing Sedevacantism. He has also stated that the Second Vatican Council was illegitimate due to the heresies it produced, and that it was the result of a secret anti-Catholic plot orchestrated by both Masons and Jews. It has been incorrectly claimed that Hutton Gibson holds to the Siri Thesis.

Because Gibson's views are consistently critical of the Jews and he is a proponent of unconventional theories about the Jews and their role in history, Hutton Gibson is widely considered to be an anti-semite.

Gibson also holds to the claim that the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks were not carried out mostly by Muslims aboard the plane, but rather were carried out by "remote control," a view he has expressed on The Alex Jones Show.
Hutton Gibson with Holocaust denier Fredrick Töben, head of the Adelaide Institute, at the 2003 International Conference on Authentic History, Real News and the First Amendment
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Hutton Gibson with Holocaust denier Fredrick Töben, head of the Adelaide Institute, at the 2003 International Conference on Authentic History, Real News and the First Amendment

Gibson denies commonly accepted aspects of the Jewish Holocaust, claiming that it is impossible for the "Holocaust" to have happened as described, since in his view, there would be no way to get rid of so many bodies[citation needed]. He claims[citation needed] that "There weren't even that many Jews in all of Europe", that the thousands who disappeared from Poland "got up and left", and says that according to the census statistics there were more Jews in Europe after World War II, statements denied by mainstream historians. In support of his father, Mel Gibson claims that his father's beliefs do not amount to Holocaust denial. (Mel Gibson also says that he will not speak out publicly against his father.)

Hutton Gibson also publishes a quarterly newsletter propagating his views under the name The War is Now!


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Jul 30 2006, 01:56 PM
So I guess this settles whether the Passion was anti-semitic.

And there, finally, someone writes the point that two threads have been hovering around, the real point behind the news.

And I'm sorry, it's wrong.

I saw absolutely, postively, nothing anti-Semitic about the film. There was nothing in it that made me hate Jews. There was nothing in it that made me even angry at Jews. There was a lot in the movie that upset me, but none of it was directed against "the Jews." And none of the scenes that were based on non-scriptural visions, or even simple artistic license, made me feel any such anger or hatred, or made me feel worse about the actual story told in the scriptural framework.

Regarding the film, or his future career, it really doesn't matter if Mel Gibson is a nut job or not. There are lots of wonderfully gifted artists - painters, sculptors, architects, composers - whose private lives aren't worth a bucket of warm spit, and it does nothing to demean or devalue their artistic work. The film has to be viewed, and appreciated, as something completely detached and separate from its creator. The work of art has its own life as soon as the creator lets go. If it were created by an anti-Semite, it may or may not contain anti-Semitism; but whether it does or not is determined by actually watching the film, not talking to its creator.

Most people really know that. But there is such a continuing, underlying suspicion or outright antipathy toward this film that the problems of its creator are gleefully being latched onto as a means of discrediting the film. Using the same criteria against all those other artists, the world would be a very, very drab place.

Mel Gibson all but certainly has some anti-Semitism within him, at his basest level. So do lots of people, even people who think they don't. Same goes with racial prejudice, sexism, gay hatred, etc. Thank God I'm not merely defined by my worst elements, and that I'm a complex mix of good and bad, noble and ignoble.
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Jul 30 2006, 02:13 PM
Even Ben Stein, a member of the tribe, acknowledges that Jews who make up 2.5% of the US general population constitute about 60% of Hollywood.

Did you read the entire article by Stein that you linked, IT?

Here's a large excerpt:

"The only possible significance of whether Hollywood is run by Jews or not must have to do with whether or not the product comes out "Jewish," or in some way different from the way it would if it were made solely by gentiles.

Really, the point is even a little uglier than that. The only real reason why the question of whether Jews "run" Hollywood is at all interesting is because there is some residual thought--apparently as was in the mind of Marlon Brando--that Jews are sinister and alien.

Kike is a low Polish word meaning the nastiest, most alien connotation of Jew. That would mean that the Jewish product of Jewish Hollywood would be somehow subversive in some way. This would be akin to Wagner's notion that Jews had polluted and ruined German music with their innately subversive sensibility.

This is a thought so bizarre and even comical to anyone familiar with Hollywood that it merits laughter more than fear. Yes, of course, the Hollywood product is made mostly by Jews. But these Jews are in love with America. "


So what exactly is your point?
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Jul 30 2006, 02:56 PM
So I guess this settles whether the Passion was anti-semitic.

This was in question?
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Steve,

Pardon my ignorance (and I still haven't read that article that David Burton referenced), but please explain how The Passion was antiSemetic. I saw the film, and it portrayed some Jews in an unflattering light. However to say that the movie is anti-Semetic is like saying that Schindler's list is anti-German, no?
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Let's face it, the New Testament paints some Jews in a pretty unfavourable light.
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John D'Oh
Jul 30 2006, 07:43 PM
Let's face it, the New Testament paints some Jews in a pretty unfavourable light.

That's my point.
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you keep making a lot of really stupid statements.
Jeffrey
Jul 30 2006, 02:51 PM
IT is defending a bigoted anti-semitic Catholic.

What else is new?


i have not defended Gibson. I think his actions were unconscionable, and I am glad that he apologized.
Jeffrey
Jul 30 2006, 03:50 PM
Gibson likely got his anti-semitism from Opus Dei.  I can see why IT would like to deflect attention from this.


I know a lot about OD, and I don't like the organization. I have neither the inclination to defend them nor any reason to deflect attention. In fact, as far as I know Gibson has no relationship to OD, he hangs around sede vacantist groups such as P12ers.

In short, you just keep spouting off a lot of stupid things about me and about things that you know nothing about. I realize that might not particularly bother you, but come off looking like a real putz.
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Jul 30 2006, 05:40 PM
I saw the film, and it portrayed some Jews in an unflattering light.

How many are too many?

And why did it need to be dragged up again?
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Steve, I understand your point, however, to condemn a certain faction of a population (such as radical Islamists) is not the same as condemning the whole group. You disagree with some Americans (in their politics). Is that the same as condemning all?

I think not.

Having said that, I think Gibson is an ass, and I didn't like TPOTC. At all.
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