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Mel Gibson and the ****ing Jews
Topic Started: Jul 30 2006, 09:43 AM (2,837 Views)
John Jacob Jingoism Smith
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Alcohol makes normally suppressed feelings come out.

Be sure to click on the link to the actual arrest report.

http://www.tmz.com/2006/07/28/gibsons-anti...leged-cover-up/
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"sugar tits"???????????

I still feel sorry for him. How pathetic? What an idiot.

The guy obviously needs a lot of help.
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Very interesting.
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Yeah. Everyone knows its the Italians' fault.
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You all need to get out more! :D

Mel Gibson, take 1
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But if you do get out, try to avoid the 101 stretch through Malibu, AKA the Nolte-Gibson Highway.
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I feel bad for the guy...this is the ultimate embarassment and I couldn't imagine him even thinking these things. So weird!

Side note: I cant even begin to understand how one can be an anti-Semite for no apparent reason. :wacko:
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Jul 30 2006, 01:39 PM
Side note: I cant even begin to understand how one can be an anti-Semite for no apparent reason. :wacko:

Given his life in Hollywood among the studio system, I can imagine where he might have a lot of experiences to give him reason.
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Touche, salesman.
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I can see how he would be an anti-producite.
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Jul 30 2006, 11:42 PM
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Jul 30 2006, 01:39 PM
Side note: I cant even begin to understand how one can be an anti-Semite for no apparent reason. :wacko:

Given his life in Hollywood among the studio system, I can imagine where he might have a lot of experiences to give him reason.

absolutley. the jews run hollywood, run the banks, and lets not forget the government.

good thing he paid for the the passion out of his own pocket, otherwise, u never know, the hollywood version might have had a different plot. not one based on the hallucinations of Anne Catherine Emmerich.

as it says the the SF Chronicle...

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While it's not mentioned in the press handouts, Gibson has told interviewers that he was heavily influenced by a 19th century book of visions, "The Dolorous Passion of Our Lord Jesus Christ," by Anne Catherine Emmerich, a German nun and mystic.

Emmerich's visions about the torture of Jesus are known for their extremely negative depiction of Caiphas and the Jewish crowds.

In her vision, Emmerich describes "the cruel Jews almost devouring their victim with their eyes" and a "crowd of miscreants -- the very scum of the people.''

While Caiphas is painted as the incarnation of evil, Emmerich sees Pilate as "that proud and irresolute pagan, that slave of the world, who trembled in the presence of the true God.''

Both Emmerich and Gibson -- not the Bible -- portray Pilate's wife as a secret supporter of the tortured Jesus and include the same nonbiblical scenes, such as one where Jesus is tossed off a bridge and yanked back up by his chains.

Emmerich's descriptions of the tortured body of Jesus often read as if they were the actual instructions given to Gibson's makeup artists.

"The flesh was so torn from his ribs that you might almost count them,'' the German nun wrote. "His whole body covered with black, green and reeking wounds ... shoulders so violently distended as to be almost dislocated.''

Scenes of such carnage are what earned "The Passion of the Christ" its "R" rating.

It is not always easy to watch, but Gibson's creation is nevertheless a strangely compelling, mystical and moody vision of a story you think you know but have never quite seen in this troubling light.

His portrayal of Satan -- a force always lurking in the shadows of the film and the minds of its characters -- is stunningly brilliant.

Conservative evangelical Protestants, not traditionally known for their devotion to the mangled body of the Christian savior, nevertheless hope Gibson's "Passion" will rally the troops for a new crusade to bring fresh followers to Jesus.

Will it work, or will the movie, as some Jewish leaders fear, fuel the fires of anti-Semitism?

Yes, it will -- on both counts.

Those viewers already predisposed toward hating Jews will no doubt find something to like in Gibson's stereotypical portrayal of conniving Jewish priests. Those in the audience who already love Jesus will forge an even stronger bond with the man who died for their sins and perhaps find new resolve to spread the news to nonbelievers.

In the end, there's nothing and everything new about "The Passion of the Christ."

For centuries, Christians have put on Lenten-season "passion plays" that recount this timeless story and, sometimes, spark hostility and violence toward Jews.

Then, and now, these productions resurrect that complicated, unanswerable and perhaps meaningless question:

"Who killed Jesus?"

Blaming "the Jews" for that crime makes about as much sense as blaming "the Italians."

But then bigotry, like belief, never does makes a whole lot of sense.

E-mail Don Lattin at dlattin@sfchronicle.com.


well, i think mel showed his true colors.

when alcohol goes in, the truth comes out.
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One's formative years are the most influential. When somebody has a raving anti-semitic nut-job for a father, attempting to blame the Hollywood Jewish mafia for his bigotry seems to be a little bit of a stretch. Apply the old razor, Mr. Occam.
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i love that razor.

never get a nick on the chin....
"I don't know much about classical music. For years I thought the Goldberg Variations were something Mr. and Mrs. Goldberg did on their wedding night." Woody Allen
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Jul 30 2006, 02:04 PM
One's formative years are the most influential. When somebody has a raving anti-semitic nut-job for a father, attempting to blame the Hollywood Jewish mafia for his bigotry seems to be a little bit of a stretch. Apply the old razor, Mr. Occam.

So are you saying that his experiences in Hollywood among the Meyers, Goldwyns, Spellings, Speilbergs, Lansings, Eisners, Roths, Laskys, Zukors, Cohns, Zelnicks, ad infinitum could not have confirmed his biases?

You need to sharpen that razor.

Even Ben Stein, a member of the tribe, acknowledges that Jews who make up 2.5% of the US general population constitute about 60% of Hollywood.
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Don't forget the Weinsteins! :P
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Actually a more comprehensive list:

MORTIMER ZUCKERMAN, owner of NY Daily News, US News & World Report and chair of the Conference of Presidents of Major Jewish American Organizations, one of the largest pro-Israel lobbying groups.

LESLIE MOONVES, president of CBS television, great-nephew of David Ben-Gurion, and co-chair with Norman Ornstein of the Advisory Committee on Public Interest Obligation of Digital TV Producers, appointed by Clinton.

JONATHAN MILLER, chair and CEO of AOL division of AOL-Time-Warner

NEIL SHAPIRO, president of NBC News

JEFF GASPIN, Executive Vice-President, Programming, NBC

DAVID WESTIN, president of ABC News

SUMNER REDSTONE, CEO of Viacom, "world's biggest media giant" (Economist, 11/23/2) owns Viacom cable, CBS and MTVs all over the world, Blockbuster video rentals and Black Entertainment TV.

MICHAEL EISNER, major owner of Walt Disney, Capitol Cities, ABC.

RUPERT MURDOCH, Owner Fox TV, New York Post, London Times, News of the World (Jewish mother)

MEL KARMAZIN, president of CBS

DON HEWITT, Exec. Director, 60 Minutes, CBS

JEFF FAGER, Exec. Director, 60 Minutes II. CBS

DAVID POLTRACK, Executive Vice-President, Research and Planning, CBS

SANDY KRUSHOW, Chair, Fox Entertainment

LLOYD BRAUN, Chair, ABC Entertainment

BARRY MEYER, chair, Warner Bros.

SHERRY LANSING. President of Paramount Communications and Chairman of Paramount Pictures' Motion Picture Group.

HARVEY WEINSTEIN, CEO. Miramax Films.

BRAD SIEGEL., President, Turner Entertainment.

PETER CHERNIN, second in-command at Rupert Murdoch's News. Corp., owner of Fox TV

MARTY PERETZ, owner and publisher of the New Republic, which openly identifies itself as pro-Israel. Al Gore credits Marty with being his "mentor."

ARTHUR O. SULZBERGER, JR., publisher of the NY Times, the Boston Globe and other publications.

WILLIAM SAFIRE, syndicated columnist for the NYT.

TOM FRIEDMAN, syndicated columnist for the NYT.

CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER, syndicated columnist for the Washington Post. Honored by Honest Reporting.com, website monitoring "anti-Israel media."

RICHARD COHEN, syndicated columnist for the Washington Post

JEFF JACOBY, syndicated columnist for the Boston Globe

NORMAN ORNSTEIN, American Enterprise Inst., regular columnist for USA Today, news analyst for CBS, and co-chair with Leslie Moonves of the Advisory Committee on Public Interest Obligation of Digital TV Producers, appointed by Clinton.

ARIE FLEISCHER, Dubya's press secretary.

STEPHEN EMERSON, every media outlet's first choice as an expert on domestic terrorism.

DAVID SCHNEIDERMAN, owner of the Village Voice and the New Times network of "alternative weeklies."

DENNIS LEIBOWITZ, head of Act II Partners, a media hedge fund

KENNETH POLLACK, for CIA analysts, director of Saban Center for Middle East Policy, writes op-eds in NY Times, New Yorker

BARRY DILLER, chair of USA Interactive, former owner of Universal Entertainment

KENNETH ROTH, Executive Director of Human Rights Watch

RICHARD LEIBNER, runs the N.S. Bienstock talent agency, which represents 600 news personalities such as Dan Rather, Dianne Sawyer and Bill O'Reilly.

TERRY SEMEL, CEO, Yahoo, former chair, Warner Bros.

MARK GOLIN, VP and Creative Director, AOL

WARREN LIEBERFORD, Pres., Warner Bros. Home Video Div. of AOL- TimeWarner

JEFFREY ZUCKER, President of NBC Entertainment

JACK MYERS, NBC, chief.NYT 5.14.2

SANDY GRUSHOW, chair of Fox Entertainment

GAIL BERMAN, president of Fox Entertainment

STEPHEN SPIELBERG, co-owner of Dreamworks

JEFFREY KATZENBERG, co-owner of Dreamworks

DAVID GEFFEN, co-owner of Dreamworks

LLYOD BRAUN, chair of ABC Entertainment

JORDAN LEVIN, president of Warner Bros. Entertainment

MAX MUTCHNICK, co-executive producer of NBC's "Good Morning Miami"

DAVID KOHAN, co-executive producer of NBC's "Good Morning Miami"

HOWARD STRINGER, chief of Sony Corp. of America

AMY PASCAL, chair of Columbia Pictures

JOEL KLEIN, chair and CEO of Bertelsmann's American operations

ROBERT SILLERMAN, founder of Clear Channel Communications

BRIAN GRADEN, president of MTV entertainment

IVAN SEIDENBERG, CEO of Verizon Communications

WOLF BLITZER, host of CNN's Late Edition

LARRY KING, host of Larry King Live

TED KOPPEL, host of ABC's Nightline

ANDREA KOPPEL, CNN Reporter

PAULA ZAHN, CNN Host

MIKE WALLACE, Host of CBS, 60 Minutes

BARBARA WALTERS, Host, ABC's 20-20

MICHAEL LEDEEN, editor of National Review

BRUCE NUSSBAUM, editorial page editor, Business Week

DONALD GRAHAM, Chair and CEO of Newsweek and Washington Post, son of

CATHERINE GRAHAM MEYER, former owner of the Washington Post

HOWARD FINEMAN, Chief Political Columnist, Newsweek

WILLIAM KRISTOL, Editor, Weekly Standard, Exec. Director
Project for a New American Century (PNAC)

RON ROSENTHAL, Managing Editor, San Francisco Chronicle

PHIL BRONSTEIN, Executive Editor, San Francisco Chronicle,

RON OWENS, Talk Show Host, KGO (ABC-Capitol Cities, San Francisco)

JOHN ROTHMAN, Talk Show Host, KGO (ABC-Capitol Cities, San Francisco)

MICHAEL SAVAGE, Talk Show Host, KFSO (ABC-Capitol Cities, San Francisco) Syndicated in 100 markets

MICHAEL MEDVED, Talk Show Host, on 124 AM stations

DENNIS PRAGER, Talk Show Host, nationally syndicated from LA. Has Israeli flag on his home page.

BEN WATTENBERG, Moderator, PBS Think Tank.

ANDREW LACK, president of NBC

DANIEL MENAKER, Executive Director, Harper Collins

DAVID REMNICK, Editor, The New Yorker

NICHOLAS LEHMANN, writer, the New York

HENRICK HERTZBERG, Talk of the Town editor, The New Yorker

SAMUEL NEWHOUSE JR, and DONALD NEWHOUSE own Newhouse Publications, includes 26 newspapers in 22 cities; the Conde Nast magazine group, includes The New Yorker; Parade, the Sunday newspaper supplement; American City Business Journals, business newspapers published in more than 30 major cities in America; and interests in cable television programming and cable systems serving 1 million homes.

DONALD NEWHOUSE, chairman of the board of directors, Associated Press.

PETER R KANN, CEO, Wall Street Journal, Barron's

RALPH J. & BRIAN ROBERTS, Owners, Comcast-ATT Cable TV.

LAWRENCE KIRSHBAUM, CEO, AOL-Time Warner Book Group
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so let me understand, because i think im not clear.

because there r alot of jews in hollywood, then mel's perceptions (albeit influenced by some moonshine) r justified?

just want to make sure im getting the point here.

"I don't know much about classical music. For years I thought the Goldberg Variations were something Mr. and Mrs. Goldberg did on their wedding night." Woody Allen
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Jul 30 2006, 05:13 PM
John D'Oh
Jul 30 2006, 02:04 PM
One's formative years are the most influential. When somebody has a raving anti-semitic nut-job for a father, attempting to blame the Hollywood Jewish mafia for his bigotry seems to be a little bit of a stretch. Apply the old razor, Mr. Occam.

So are you saying that his experiences in Hollywood among the Meyers, Goldwyns, Spellings, Speilbergs, Lansings, Eisners, Roths, Laskys, Zukors, Cohns, Zelnicks, ad infinitum could not have confirmed his biases?

You need to sharpen that razor.

Even Ben Stein, a member of the tribe, acknowledges that Jews who make up 2.5% of the US general population constitute about 60% of Hollywood.

Approximately 98% of the people I work with are Americans. Would this excuse me being a xenophobic bigoted moron?
What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket?
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Hi Bach, good to see you back on the board.

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Jul 30 2006, 05:27 PM
so let me understand, because i think im not clear.

because there r alot of jews in hollywood, then mel's perceptions (albeit influenced by some moonshine) r justified?

just want to make sure im getting the point here.

I made a comment about how I dont understand where Mel's anti-semitism might come from, and Ivory commented that perhaps it's because Mel does his own thing, isn't bound by hollywood, and usually out produces and earns most hollywood bigwigs, and that since Hollywood is very much influenced and/or controlled by Jews, that perhaps that's where the conflict arises.
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bachophile
Jul 30 2006, 02:27 PM
so let me understand, because i think im not clear.

because there r alot of jews in hollywood, then mel's perceptions (albeit influenced by some moonshine) r justified?

just want to make sure im getting the point here.

My point was that 89th assumed that there were no apparent reasons. I could imagine that in his experiences of working among the Hollywood system that he encountered a number of Jewish people who are not as kind and generous and fair minded as yourself. Such exposure could certainly cement his preconceptions.

This is not an attack on jews, but just an observation of human nature. Gandhi said he might be a Christian if he every met Christians who acted like Christ. For better of worse, the way we choose to live our lives and identify ourselves will form other people's perceptions of us and what we purport to represent.
The dogma lives loudly within me.
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John D'Oh
Jul 30 2006, 02:29 PM

Approximately 98% of the people I work with are Americans. Would this excuse me being a xenophobic bigoted moron?

Everything excuses you. :wink:
The dogma lives loudly within me.
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Jul 30 2006, 05:37 PM
John D'Oh
Jul 30 2006, 02:29 PM

Approximately 98% of the people I work with are Americans. Would this excuse me being a xenophobic bigoted moron?

Everything excuses you. :wink:

I'm not bigoted, I have the same low opinion of everyone.
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I am so adjective that I verb nouns!
:lol:
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Jul 30 2006, 02:21 PM
Actually a more comprehensive list:

etc.

Good lord!

Why would anyone make a list of the Jews in Hollywood?

I have never seen a list of Catholics or Protestants or Muslims or gays or straights or anything else?

Why a list of Jews?

(As if I didn't know....)
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