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| QuirtEvans | Jul 31 2006, 04:36 PM Post #76 |
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I Owe It All To John D'Oh
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Funny, I don't see David Burton saying "jeer!" ... |
| It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010. | |
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| Rick Zimmer | Jul 31 2006, 06:45 PM Post #77 |
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Fulla-Carp
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I'd say it's not really a jeer; more a jab. |
| [size=4]Violence is incompatible with the nature of God and the nature of the soul -- Benedict XVI[/size] | |
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| dolmansaxlil | Jul 31 2006, 07:04 PM Post #78 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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I was in Ottawa (capital of Canada - I'm thinking everyone here knows that, but one never knows) for a friend's wedding in the summer of 2000. We were walking along the river, in an area that had tonnes of foot traffic due to the local night scene. An area like this in Toronto would have had scads of homeless people - lots of (drunk) people = possibility for cash. We didn't see any. Not a one. I commented on this, and we were discussing how tremendously odd it was and making jokes that the government was probably loading them in busses and sending them to Toronto to make the city look nice. Suddenly, a Homeless Man (capitals because he was the quintessential homeless man. Amputee, scruffy looking, hat in his hand) appeared from NOWHERE right in front of us. He asked us for change. We gave him what we had and moved on. Less than 20 metres down the street, not a minute later, we were still discussing his bizarre appearance. I turned around and he was gone. We're still all convinced that someone on Parliament Hill heard our conspiracy theories and trucked him in just for our benefit, then whisked him away again before anyone important saw him.
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| lb1 | Aug 1 2006, 04:13 AM Post #79 |
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I have seen more than one private initiative charity program get wrecked when liberals got involved. Liberals usually increase the cost of programs while decreasing the effectiveness. lb |
| My position is simple: you jumped to an unwarranted conclusion and slung mud on an issue where none was deserved. Quirt 03/08/09 | |
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| Mikhailoh | Aug 1 2006, 04:26 AM Post #80 |
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If you want trouble, find yourself a redhead
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Oh, but lb, they make them more FAIR, dontcha know? No one fairs well. Charity needs to be on a local level. |
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| Moonbat | Aug 1 2006, 04:30 AM Post #81 |
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What did they do that wrecked them? |
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| Mikhailoh | Aug 1 2006, 04:34 AM Post #82 |
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If you want trouble, find yourself a redhead
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Actually, I also have to say that homeless people who migrate to the desert are clearly insane. You have seen how heavily they dress. If I were homeless I'd head to San Diego. Better weather and a lot more places to sleep. |
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| Stainweggie | Aug 1 2006, 05:18 AM Post #83 |
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| ivorythumper | Aug 1 2006, 08:40 AM Post #84 |
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Sounds like solid conservative principles to me.... *esp that God part.... |
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| ivorythumper | Aug 1 2006, 08:42 AM Post #85 |
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I am so adjective that I verb nouns!
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As I mentioned above--- those salaries for the board of directors can really add up. I guess charity begins at home? |
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| lb1 | Aug 1 2006, 08:59 AM Post #86 |
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Right after WW II a local farmer who had lost his only son in the war donated 50 acres of his farm to a local club to be used for community benefit. This club did not have the resources to do anything by itself, but they did contact other clubs, businesses, churches, and community leaders for ideas. What evolved from this was a private run self-sustaining shelter and food program for the poor and indigent people in the area. A large three-story brick building was constructed that was able to house 50+ people in individual rooms. The building had a large institutional kitchen capable of preparing meals for several hundred and a dining room to match. There was also constructed a masonry building that served as a butcher shop and smoke house capable of processing meat from the carcass into any cut or processed meat desired. A garden area was developed that would more than provide for the facility and produce in season was even sold to local stores to generate income. There was a chicken house that provided eggs and chickens, a pasture for cattle, and a small hog house for pork. This mini-farm was a model of self-sustenance for over 30 years. There was no single group that controlled it but all areas of the community, churches, businesses, private clubs, and individuals, all contributed. The residents if able were expected to contribute to the running and maintenance, local dairy farms often donated bull calves to the herd, sporting clubs donated game and fish, game wardens donated all the confiscated game and fish, poultry farmers inundated them with turkeys and chickens, local businesses donated money and materials, and individuals donated time. There were benefit dinners held throughout the year to generate income and awareness, and it was common to feed over 500 people at these dinners. I the late 70’s a liberal activist group that had contributed nothing to the running or maintenance began criticizing openly about the running of this facility. The first thing was the fact that the residents were forced to eat wild game, like venison, pheasants, duck, fish, etc, the stuff that is listed in the gourmet section of the menu at a restaurant. It didn’t take long and the game wardens were not allowed to contribute confiscated game and this game was destroyed at the local landfill. Sporting clubs were not allowed to contribute anymore also as all wild meat was banned. The next area to be attacked was what the activist classified as degrading slavery, and that is having the residents if able contribute to the running and maintenance of the facility. The fact that doing some work contributed to the self-esteem of the individual was totally disregarded. The fact that any work at all was completely voluntary and not required was disregarded also and work in any form or fashion by a resident was soon banned. The garden area was abandoned, the butcher shop was shut downs as well as raising beef, pork, and chickens. We now had a facility that could no longer sustain itself without large cash infusions. The tradition means of contribution, time, means, and materials were no longer acceptable. There was a solution though, there are government funded programs just for this purpose and this was the direction the facility was forced to take. The ironic thing is that although the facility never reached its capacity it did have a steady occupancy of 35 to 40 depending on the season. In 1979 there was an average of 37 people there all year. In 1985 the occupancy had fallen to less than 10 people and the facility was closed down and leased to a farmer. In 1988 hay bales that were stored in the dining room caught fire and the building burned to the ground. The land was then sold to the farmer and all the buildings were razed. It needs to be said that the liberal activist that destroyed a self sustaining private facility that provided both a physical and mental healthy existence to the poor and indigent in our area are employed in the government assistance programs that are now the only thing available. You want more examples? I have several more just as bad although on a smaller scale. lb |
| My position is simple: you jumped to an unwarranted conclusion and slung mud on an issue where none was deserved. Quirt 03/08/09 | |
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| Moonbat | Aug 1 2006, 09:10 AM Post #87 |
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Wow that's a terrible story, from what you've written it's hard to understand what those activist thought they were achieving. |
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| ivorythumper | Aug 1 2006, 09:21 AM Post #88 |
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Part of radical communitarianism is that there should be no intervening structures between the individual and the State. You might already know that among the first acts of the Paris Commune was to disband all guilds, corporations, religious groups, etc. Nothing should mitigate against the raw power of the State. Subgroups cannot be allowed to compete with the Social Contract -- pure Rousseau (read in a certain way). It seems the activists were being true to their radical principles -- destroy corporate charitable initiatives so that the people have to rely directly upon the State. |
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| lb1 | Aug 1 2006, 09:22 AM Post #89 |
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Job security and control for the liberals. I am sure that Rick and quirt will be able to justify the liberals actions. lb |
| My position is simple: you jumped to an unwarranted conclusion and slung mud on an issue where none was deserved. Quirt 03/08/09 | |
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| Jolly | Aug 1 2006, 10:03 AM Post #90 |
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Geaux Tigers!
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To be fair, at the time lb speaks of, there were other liberal activists in my state attacking state government programs that they felt were inhumane to the residents. One was a very large mental institution (I'm talking over 3,000 patients), the other was an institution for children with Down's Syndrome or other disabilities of that sort. In both cases, dairy cattle herds were sold, pig farms were closed, fields were laid fallow and truck farming equipment was sold. My uncle ran one of the pig farms, and the saddest day of his life was the day the trucks came and took the livestock away, even as the residents cried and begged their caretakers not to do so. Even in those who are afflicted with disease of the mind or body, work itself has intrinsic worth to the individual. When people feel like they are helping themselves, rather than depending on someone else for everything, they walk a little taller and look you in the eye. May God save us from the do-gooders... |
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| lb1 | Aug 1 2006, 10:42 AM Post #91 |
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Moonbat, When this mini-farm was shut down there were 9 permanent male residents that were retarded and not able to function alone. The mini-farm was an excellent environment for them but that was gone and they had nowhere to go. A local church that wasn’t actually a parish, but more of a retirement home for old priest took them in. This home was funded completely by the church but did accept donations similar to the way the mini-farm did. I have taken many processed deer there as well as hundreds of pounds of fish. Several other local sportsmen did the same and had been doing this for many years. Although this was not as nice as the farm, it was a nice setting for the new residents. The old priests took them on excursions to ball games and other sporting events as well as numerous field trips on a regular basis This same group of activist soon started attacking this church. The fuel for the attack was the fact that some of the residents were receiving Medicare assistance for their medication and some of this money was being used for their care by, horror forbid, a church. The church was forced to secure licenses that then forced them to comply with several other government regulations, which then banned again the use of any wild game and other food donations. The outside field trips were also regulated and had to be approved. The next step in the attack was that the facility was discrimitory in that it was all male. They were not capable of taking care of females, but this was soon to change. A branch of this same church had a facility that was for retired nuns and offered the same service for retarded adult females, but this was not satisfactory. The building was sectioned off to separate the priests from the residents, remodeling was done to accommodate women, and licensed caregivers were required 24/7. This facility by the way is now being administered by the same group that shut down the mini-farm, and the residents that were being cared for at no cost to the taxpayer are now costing $100+ per day per head totally at taxpayer expense. The positive side to this is that there were several liberal jobs created. lb |
| My position is simple: you jumped to an unwarranted conclusion and slung mud on an issue where none was deserved. Quirt 03/08/09 | |
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| Rick Zimmer | Aug 1 2006, 11:40 AM Post #92 |
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Ya gotta love stories like these. First, how does anyone know what the political ideology of any of these people are or to what extent such affiliations had anything to do with their decision to do what they supposedly did? Could it be they were not liberals or conservatives, but opportunists? Second, they are written with such a slant and with so many details left out, they are clear and unadulterated propaganda. Third, does any one believe that with all of the millions of public, private, non-profit, individual and collective initiatives that have gone on since the founding of the republic that one cannot find lots and lots of stories to prove any point anyone wants to make? Fourth, are these stories full analyses of all that went on, all the factors involved, all the context of these activities? Fifth, consider the source..... |
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| ivorythumper | Aug 1 2006, 11:46 AM Post #93 |
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If you were only so discriminating and analytical when the story makes Bush out to be the bad guy, you might have some credibility. |
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| QuirtEvans | Aug 1 2006, 01:22 PM Post #94 |
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I Owe It All To John D'Oh
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Yeah, because I make a living out of defending the actions of liberals. Something tells me that lb hasn't been paying attention, but I think that's the norm for him. |
| It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010. | |
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| lb1 | Aug 1 2006, 01:37 PM Post #95 |
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Quirt, You and Rick may percieve your self as Robin Hood, robbing the rich to give to the poor, but your taking such a huge cut out of the middle negates your good intentions. You are a lawyer, and Rick has been on the public dole positions all his life, two parasites living off the host. lb |
| My position is simple: you jumped to an unwarranted conclusion and slung mud on an issue where none was deserved. Quirt 03/08/09 | |
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| ivorythumper | Aug 1 2006, 01:46 PM Post #96 |
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lb: I think he's a securities lawyer-- I don't think that "taking such a huge cut out of the middle" keeps him from being indigent. |
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| lb1 | Aug 1 2006, 01:51 PM Post #97 |
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A lawyer is a lawyer, and somewhere Quirt is getting a cut out of the middle of something. lb |
| My position is simple: you jumped to an unwarranted conclusion and slung mud on an issue where none was deserved. Quirt 03/08/09 | |
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| OperaTenor | Aug 1 2006, 02:12 PM Post #98 |
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Pisa-Carp
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Like the canyon behind my house. |
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| LWpianistin | Aug 1 2006, 04:12 PM Post #99 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Could it be that those principles belong to BOTH sides? No...of course not... I'm only 20. What do I know... :rolleyes: |
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| ivorythumper | Aug 1 2006, 04:26 PM Post #100 |
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I am so adjective that I verb nouns!
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You mean there might be TheoLibs(tm) out there trying to subvert the US Constitution and bring about a biblical reign of authoritarian rule? ![]() Of course the matter of politics is separate from faith, it just sort of surprised me that belief in God is suddenly a "liberal" principle. And you are correct -- those principles span the political spectrum (this side of Pol Pot) -- so it seems a meaningless series of descriptions of a "liberal". |
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