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| From The Saddam Files; Intervention in Afghanistan, before 9/11 | |
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| George K | Jul 6 2006, 04:57 AM Post #1 |
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Iraq How-to Manual Directed Arab Military Operatives In Afghanistan Thursday , July 06, 2006 Ray Robison An Arab regime, possibly Iraq, supplied how-to manuals for Arab operatives working throughout Afghanistan before 9/11, and provided military assistance to the Taliban and Al Qaeda. That's the most likely conclusion drawn from an apparent training manual unearthed in captured Iraqi government computer files translated and analyzed exclusively for Fox News, and made public for the first time. The document, apparently written before the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, could bolster the Bush administration's contention that Saddam Hussein was providing support for Islamic extremists who were plotting against America. The training manual warns, in stark how-to terms, of the dangers of "information leaks," and instructs Arab operatives inside Afghanistan to dress like Afghan tribesmen, to avoid being followed ("Routine is the enemy of security"), to always be armed, and "to behave as if enemies would strike at any moment." The manual also cautions Arabs to "beware of rapid and spontaneous friendships with Afghans who speak Arabic," and "always make sure about the identity of your neighbors and classify them as regular people, opponents or allies." That revelation is provided exclusively to Fox News by Ray Robison, a former member of the CIA-directed Iraq Survey Group. ISG supervised a group of linguists to analyze, archive and exploit the hundreds of captured documents and materials of Saddam's regime. Fox News and Robison last week revealed the contents of a 1999 notebook kept by an Iraqi Intelligence Service (IIS) operative. That notebook detailed how Saddam's agents aggressively pursued and entered into a diplomatic, intelligence, and security arrangement with the Taliban and Islamist extremists operating in Afghanistan — years before the 9/11 attacks. While the training manual revealed today by Fox News does not mention the IIS agent's notebook, the manual does suggest an Arab regime, most likely Saddam, may have provided the military help requested by the Taliban and Al Qaeda. The manual, declassified and recently released by the Foreign Military Studies Office, advises its Arab readers never to show your "military ID." That strongly suggests that Iraq was sending professional military assistance to Afghanistan before the 9/11 attacks Translation: Editor's notes: The translation is provided by Robison's associate, known here as "Sammi," who puts translation clarifications in parenthesis. Robison uses (RR) for clarification and bold-face type for emphasis. Translator's notes: This seven-page document contains instructions for a group of Arab men, military ID holders, and their families. These men appear to be joining other military men already in Afghanistan who are running "hosting places." These facilities appear to be safe houses or training facilities for other Arabs. The work involves receiving Arab men who may or may not choose to stay at the facility. Even though pre-9/11 Afghanistan was teeming with Arab Mujihadeen who were proud to represent their native countries, the instructions advise the "brothers" to keep a low profile and behave as if enemies would strike at any moment. Begin Translation for 2RAD-2004-600760-ELC.PDF In the Name of God the Merciful Personnel Security: Respected brother, Know that one of the main causes of information leaks is from personnel (translator's note: personnel talking), this is why we try to cooperate with you so that neither you or one of your brothers becomes the cause of a catastrophe that might hit one of the brothers or all of them. Please follow these instructions: 1- Know as much as you need. (translator's note: don't ask too many questions) 2- Don't talk too much; it is said that "silence is wisdom." 3- It is recommended that all personnel wear Afghan clothing so they do not stand out from other people. 4- All the brothers should go to the market by themselves, alone. 5- It is not advised to move alone at night. (At night, walk the streets on foot) 6- As much as possible do not disclose your identity as an Arab. 7- Avoid excitement whether by glorifying or bashing. 8- Avoid being observed (translator's note: being followed and observed) and always notice who is walking behind you or following you from a distance; review the observation manual. 9- All brothers should be always armed even if with a small knife in their pockets. 10- Check your pockets and never leave important papers in them when moving around. 11- Always be careful in personal relations with Afghans or Pakistanis. 12- Avoid giving any information about the locations of your brothers. 13- It is forbidden to discuss work issues with the women. 14- It is forbidden to take children to parks and offices. 15- It is forbidden to talk about your work or the nature of your mission with anybody who is not related to it. 16- Beware of habit in your daily routine because the rule says, "Routine is the enemy of security." 17- If you are moving and have a large amount of money, beware of showing it in the market so you do not attract robbers. 18- Always beware when you are talking about the work because somebody not related to your work, the women or the children, might hear you. 19- Beware of rapid and spontaneous friendships with Afghans who speak Arabic. 20- In public places beware of talking about work issues because some Afghans know Arabic but you cannot notice this. 21- Always be forgiving when you are buying from, selling to or dealing with Afghans and avoid trouble. 22- Children are not allowed to go out by themselves whether to buy stuff or play. 23- Always make sure about the identity of your neighbors and classify them as regular people, opponents or allies. Security of compounds: The security of the house or the living quarters is one of the most important aspects of security because the house contains the personnel, the equipment and the important documents. Make the house secure, securing from all those aspects, and it is advisable that these measures be taken seriously. There are important precautions, to the security of the house, that have to be taken before renting but it is not practical to list them here. (Translator's notes: several instructions for securing the houses are listed, including location, neighborhood, weapons inside, rules for children, night-time policy, and patrolling the surroundings) Security of the hosting places: A hosting place is the place where most infiltration takes place. What we mean by hosting place is a public place where people, who most of the time are not related to the work, are received. But in case we are receiving special guests or others, it is not considered a hosting place but it is affiliated to the security of the special offices. (Translator's notes: there are 23 instructions for the security of the hosting places; here are 10) At the hosting place a room for the security unit is necessary for observation: 1. The hosting place should be away from the living space of the brothers and their meeting areas. 2. Brothers should not go often to the hosting place except for a purpose. 3. It is forbidden to practice any private or secret matter in the hosting place. 4. The hosting place where our brothers are grouped, like Kandahar a. Anybody who enters it should be known b. Nobody lives in it unless a known party recommends him c. Persons living in the hosting place should be organized and authorized by the brother in charge of the hosting place. It should be known where the brother is going and when he is coming back. 5. Brothers living in Kandahar and who repetitively visit the hosting place should abide by the Holy Hadith (a sacred text of Islam), "The virtue of one's Islam is to leave what does not belong to him," and not to start a relation with the brothers living in the hosting place. 6. The brother in charge of the hosting place should assign a private place for each brother living in the hosting place and not leave the decision to the visitor. 7. There should be a schedule for night guard in the hosting place. 8. The communication room should be isolated in the hosting place and not close to the visitor's rooms. 9.The hosting place should have a reception room where the visiting brother is dealt with, before entering the hosting place, and decide if he is going to stay in it. 10. Public meetings are strictly forbidden in the hosting place. Security of movement: First: Security of cars and vehicles Constant movement of cars between the houses of the brothers and their workplace is a big breach which might lead to discovery of those places if the brother driving was not aware of being watched. It is possible that the car itself, with its occupant, might be a target, therefore: (Translator's notes: several instructions for driving and car security follow; here are a few) - The brothers driving the cars should check their car daily to make sure it does not contain any foreign material or device. - All the brothers driving the cars should be armed and should have their weapons license. - Brothers driving the cars should always be wearing Afghan clothing so their identity cannot be easily discovered. - Brothers driving the cars should not always follow one path and should not have a constant habit in choosing their way. Second: security of movement and travel inside Afghanistan Travel is one of the most important security breaches that we should be careful of because of the long absence from the brothers and facing the dangers of the road. - It is absolutely forbidden for a person to travel by himself, and it is preferable that the number of travelers be at least three including a trusted Afghan. - In rest areas a brother should not show his military ID. - The security office should be informed about the travel before the travel, and when you reach your destination you should inform the office for follow up. (Translator's notes: several instructions for mail and communications security are listed, right out of an intelligence personnel book) Public meetings security: The danger of public meetings is that it often groups most of the personnel present in Kandahar. If the enemy manages to know and reach the meeting place, he would have a dangerous opportunity and to make him miss this chance we should follow some precautions. (Translator's notes: several instructions concerning public meetings security follow) End Translation Analysis: This document supports a few strong conclusions. It clearly proves that an Arab country was providing professional military assistance to Arab operatives in Afghanistan. While the document does not identify the country of origin of these Arab men, it's a logical omission since it wouldn't make sense to name the country in a memo whose purpose is to instruct how to hide one's nationality. It is important to note, however, that in 1999, Iraq — along with Syria — was again identified by the U.S. Department of State as a government sponsor of terrorism, the only two Arab nations classified as state sponsors of terrorism at that time. The document also appears to be a professional military intelligence letter of instruction. These men have military IDs. The instruction references an intelligence manual. The letter mentions "trusted" Afghans, so we know they are working in cooperation with forces in Afghanistan. It is highly unlikely that any military would send a semi-permanent contingent with families into Afghanistan for cooperation or training unless the Afghan organization was stable and in control. It therefore seems likely that these soldiers are working closely with the Taliban. There are media reports of a group of Iraqi soldiers in Afghanistan. Jeffery Goldberg reported for The New Yorker in a February 2003 article entitled The CIA and Pentagon take another look at Al Qaeda and Iraq: "In interviews with senior officials, the following picture emerged: American intelligence believes that Al Qaeda and Saddam reached a non-aggression agreement in 1993, and that the relationship deepened further in the mid-nineteen-nineties, when an Al Qaeda operative — a native-born Iraqi who goes by the name Abu Abdullah al-Iraqi — was dispatched by bin Laden to ask the Iraqis for help in poison-gas training. Al-Iraqi's mission was successful, and an unknown number of trainers from an Iraqi secret-police organization called Unit 999 were dispatched to camps in Afghanistan to instruct Al Qaeda terrorists." Unit 999 might sound like it's straight out of a James Bond movie, but there are many references to an actual Iraqi intelligence unit that appears to take on Special Forces missions. Global Security.org, which sources most of its information from declassified U.S. government documents, describes Unit 999: This "deep penetration" unit, responsible for domestic and international clandestine operations, was headquartered at the army base at Salman Pak, southeast of Baghdad. Unit 999 activities included infiltration of opposition militias in the Kurdish enclave in northern Iraq, a planned effort by the unit to kidnap the U.S. commander General Schwarzkopf from Saudi Arabia during Desert Storm, and sabotage attacks on Iranian oil installations in the 1990s. This manual provides further evidence that the Iraqi military was active in Afghanistan and working with the Taliban. The Taliban harbored and trained with Al Qaeda. The information in the document matches media reports that U.S. intelligence sources believed the IIS was training Al Qaeda in Afghanistan. It also matches information from other IIS documentation that shows requests from Islamic Jihad groups in Afghanistan for Iraqi military assistance. |
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| Larry | Jul 6 2006, 09:01 PM Post #2 |
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Mmmmmmm, pie!
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WHERE ARE YOU, ALL YOU PACIFIST PUSSY HYPOCRITES???? |
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| David Burton | Jul 6 2006, 09:36 PM Post #3 |
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They are obviously pissing somewhere else. |
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| OperaTenor | Jul 6 2006, 10:37 PM Post #4 |
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I'll wait until this story is corroborated. There are an awful lot of "possible"'s and "maybe"'s in the beginning of this article. It sounds to me like it could just as possibly have come from Saudi Arabia as Iraq. Or the Tooth Fairy, for that matter. Or, another way to look at it: How many Iraqis did we round up in Afghanistan, compared to how many Saudis? Just as you righties say investigations need to be completed before we rush to judge an indicted Republican, I think we need to have this stuff incontravertiibly authenticated before we take to the streets to exonerate GWB. This is typical of the kind of spin Faux puts on a story, pointing the reader/viewer/listener in a desired direction through innuendo and baseless speculation, and creating a mountain of a news story out of nothing. |
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| Mikhailoh | Jul 7 2006, 03:59 AM Post #5 |
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OT, This is just one of reams of documents siezed that confirm that our good buddy Saddam was involved in all sorts of mean, nasty, ugly things related to WMD and terrorism. George has been good enough to post a few of the more blatant ones. How do you suppose that a memo that assigns a head of the Anthrax program is spin? (see other thread this morning). Go back through George's posts over the last couple or three months. Factor in live chemical rounds found. How much more evidence do you need? |
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| OperaTenor | Jul 7 2006, 07:17 AM Post #6 |
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Hi Mik, I've seen so much diamterically contrary "proof" on the WMD's I honestly don't know where the truth is in that story. Besides, I thought a lot of this was previously acknowledged and treated in the Deulfer(sp?) report. Not by specific memos or citings of physical evidence, but in a broader overview of Saddam's activities.......or lack thereof. It struck me that the beginning of this article was rife with speculation. I would also think the GWB administration would trot this out with all due haste to support their contentions, and I haven't seen any evidence of it. |
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| The 89th Key | Jul 7 2006, 07:28 AM Post #7 |
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Kinda odd how the duelfer report missed 500 WMDs....yeah, very comprehensive. |
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| George K | Jul 7 2006, 07:30 AM Post #8 |
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OT, I know it's impossible to prove a negative, but you made the statement that you've seen "proof" that they didnt' exist. Please elaborate.
The fact that these are posted by the US military somehow denies their credibility and the fact that the Bush administration hasn't trotted them out also gainsays their accuracy? Strange argument. "If Bush didn't say it, they must be false." IOW: Bush didn't lie, documents did. May I suggest that there are other motivations for not revealing all these docs: the indictment of our so-called "allies", Russia and Germany. There is one doc that I posted a few months ago that describes Iraqi scientist hiding their Russian counterparts while the feckless UN inspectors came to the labs. The man who's leading a lot of the publication of these docs is Ray Robison, who "served in Qatar as a contractor for the Defense Intelligence Agency, working as part of the CIA-directed Iraq Survey Group (ISG) that examined efforts by Saddam Hussein to build and hide weapons of mass destruction, among other objectives." |
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| OperaTenor | Jul 7 2006, 07:34 AM Post #9 |
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Sorry, I didn't mean to imply I saw proof they didn't exsist. I meant to speak more to the proof as to whether they were of any potent consequence. Kind of like finding flat beer in my trash can, as opposed to finding nice cold ones in my fridge. |
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| OperaTenor | Jul 7 2006, 07:38 AM Post #10 |
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That would hold if that was the established pattern of the GWB administration. However, I think it's safe to say they have proven themselves to use every opportunity to promote their causes to sway public opinion, so it doesn't wash for me. I'm not calling anyone a liar, I just want to see corroboration. After all, people make mistakes, right? |
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| George K | Jul 7 2006, 07:47 AM Post #11 |
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Corroboration of what? The Iraqi documents? Whom would you nominate to do that, other than the US Military? The New York Times? Truthout? MoveOn? I don't understand your point. I have posted multiple links to government sites that indicate the presence of these documents. What kind of proof are you looking for? |
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| OperaTenor | Jul 7 2006, 07:54 AM Post #12 |
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What I mean by it is removal of the if's and possibly's. The article stops well short of positively attributing the document to the Iraqis. While the fact it was discovered in Iraq means a lot, I would think if the source thought it incontravertible, they would have averred it so, wouldn't they? In the meantime, just like any other investigation, I prefer to wait until it's completed before I draw a conclusion. Fair enough? |
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| AlbertaCrude | Jul 7 2006, 07:54 AM Post #13 |
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OT, Hussein was a warlord- not only a brutal warlord who had total control over his country but a recognized regional warlord who would not hestitate to extend his control over any neighbouring country if the opportunity arose. Warlords like Hussein have a mania for collecting weapons and building military machines trained in handling those weapons. Warlords cannot under any circumstances be trusted. |
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| OperaTenor | Jul 7 2006, 07:57 AM Post #14 |
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Hi AC, I understand and agree. However, it doesn't automatically make every allegation true. That is not to be interpreted as a defense for Saddam. |
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| George K | Jul 7 2006, 08:10 AM Post #15 |
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OT, my apologies. I posted this story about training documents found in Iraq. You are correct in that they do not cite Iraq as the "instructor," rather the "Arabs." You can draw whatever conclusion you want, and that's fair. However, the thread morphed into (as they often do) something else, namely a discussion of WMD. I direct your attention on that subject to this thread in which you already replied. Again, my apologies for misdirecting the thread. "After all, people make mistakes, right?" |
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| OperaTenor | Jul 7 2006, 08:24 AM Post #16 |
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GK, no problem. I bat about .500 making my point understood the first time around, and the rest is all in acheiving clear communication. While that average may be great in the majors, it sucks in a debate. We really need a handshake smilie. |
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| Rick Zimmer | Jul 7 2006, 08:36 AM Post #17 |
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"An Arab regime, possibly Iraq" "an apparent training manual" "apparently written before the Sept. 11, 2001" "the manual does suggest an Arab regime, most likely Saddam, may have provided " "That strongly suggests that Iraq" I searched in vain for the explanation of the linkage between all of this and Hussein. (I have done this in several other of these threads posted by George which are almost all presented as fact but are based solely on intrepretation of often shaky information). I found only speculation, based I assume, on the fact this was found on an Iraqi computer. But that is only an assumption on my part because there is no explanation of the linkage given. And for this we went to war? For this we have killed 2500+ Americans, maimed and permanently damged close to 20,000, spent close to $400B, ravaged an entire country, destabilized an entire region and have found ourselvesin a quagmire we can't get out of, even though the American people reject this war? And for this we turned away from fighting the real enemy to go after Hussein? Hussein was clearly an evil ruler. Are any of us surprised that we find evidence of his evil? He also was opposed to the US. Are any of us surprised he would have contact with others who oppose the US? More importantly, if Bush had come to the American people with crap such as this to justify the war, do any of you really believe the American people would have supported the war? You guys have got to stop trying to put meat on the carcass of Bush's war justifications. It doesn't work -- except in the minds of those who so desparately want to justify this massive waste of human lives and America's resources. (BTW, I was intrigued by the self aggrandizement in this by author of this piece. I suspect he is vying for his 15 minutes of fame). |
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| AlbertaCrude | Jul 7 2006, 09:13 AM Post #18 |
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The allegations are immaterial and clearly debatable points. That Hussein was a brutal and indefensible totalitarian warlord was suffcient and just cause to have a forced regime change in Iraq. |
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| Rick Zimmer | Jul 7 2006, 09:19 AM Post #19 |
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If the policy of the United States is to cause regime change for all brutal and indefensibly totalitarian warlords -- which it is not. (BTW, AC, would you have supported Canada taking the lead and invading and occupying Iraq and then being bogged down in nation building based on that reason?) |
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| George K | Jul 7 2006, 09:29 AM Post #20 |
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Interesting turn. However, the intervention in the former Yugoslavia did not raise so much as an eyebrow (or at least no longer does). Don't you dare say Darfur, however! |
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| AlbertaCrude | Jul 7 2006, 10:01 AM Post #21 |
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That, Rick, is a silly question given this nation's history. Canada has never taken the lead on any strategic military operation. I doubt that it ever will. Nevertheless, I believe the Canadian Government made the correct decision by not sending combat troops into Iraq in 2003. Its stated reasoning at the time however was openly deceitful and deliberately misleading. The reality the G'ovt failed to point out was that Canadian Forces were stretched beyond their combat and logistical readiness to undertake such a mission. Until very recently our Forces in Afghanistan were horribly under equipped for its NATO mission there. However, had NATO decided to undertake a mission in Iraq, as it did in Yugoslavia earlier, then I would have to say that Canada would be obliged to be in Iraq. That the Chretien G'ovt used the Iraq invasion as means of sewing anti Americanism in order to try and salvage its own tarnished image at home is nothing short of reprehensible. |
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| OperaTenor | Jul 7 2006, 02:15 PM Post #22 |
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| OperaTenor | Jul 7 2006, 02:21 PM Post #23 |
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That is your opinion, I take it? It certainly wasn't the primary case presented by GWB in the runup to the invasion. And rather than enter into a rehash of the reasons for the invasion, I'll let you have the last word. ![]() |
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| OperaTenor | Jul 7 2006, 02:22 PM Post #24 |
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George, you've been visiting the Landover Baptist website?![]() |
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| Mikhailoh | Jul 7 2006, 02:22 PM Post #25 |
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Yes.. and since it was a president you approved of in office, you let it go at that. |
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