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God help us from these lunatics
Topic Started: Jul 5 2006, 02:50 PM (1,552 Views)
Bernard
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Lady Liberty Trades in Some Trappings
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Mikhailoh
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Does seem a bit counterproductive, not to mention destroying the lovely symmetry of the original.

I wonder what this group would think if the KKK put a white hood and a burning cross on her?
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John D'Oh
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It's almost as if they've been put up to it as a joke. Sadly, I doubt that this is the case.
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Rick Zimmer
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When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross
-- Sinclair Lewis
[size=4]Violence is incompatible with the nature of God and the nature of the soul -- Benedict XVI[/size]
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Dewey
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I don't agree with everything these folks espouse, and if I had a quarter of a million burning a hole in my pocket, I'd have found what I consider to be a better use of the money.

On the other hand, I'd hardly call them lunatics or fascists. Tacky, maybe, but hardly a threat to society. But is there really anything wrong with calling for a return to spiritual values and claiming that many of the nation's ills are a result of turning away from God? Personally, I'm not so sure that's an incorrect claim, even if they and I might disagree on the particulars of what constitutes Godly living.

It's like when you pass a big, supersized Calvary-style grouping of crosses in some pasture along the highway, or a billboard for a Wendy's at the next exit. It's like the "Big Chicken" in Marietta, Georgia. It's a method of making a point, and gaining publicity for that point. There's nothing inherently wrong with that. To me, it just doesn't justify the angst it seems to have generated. Glance at it for a moment as you pass by going 65 mph, shake your head, and forget it before the next billboard.
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Larry
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Interesting.....

one of you equates Christianity with the KKK, and another one of you equates Christianity with fascism. One of you disavows Christianity, and one of you claims to accept it - yet there is no difference in the level of contempt for it between you.

I agree with Dewey's (I cannot get used to that....) comments about the people who did this. On the other hand, when there are people who claim to be Christians but are so weak and ungrounded that you can't tell their level of contempt from that of a nonbeliever, then maybe it *is* necessary to take bold and aggressive measures such as what these people have done.

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kenny
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They HAVE made a point indeed.
Although it is one they didn't intend.
Then again perhaps they did.

They have perverted a symbol of inclusion into a symbol of exclusion.
How repulsive.
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Larry
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Perverting a symbol of welcome of diversity into a symbol of exclusion.


What makes you think Christianity is exclusionary, Kenny?
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kenny
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I'm not even going to answer that.
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kenny
Jul 5 2006, 08:38 PM
They HAVE made a point indeed.
Although it is one they didn't intend.
Then again perhaps they did.

They have perverted a symbol of inclusion into a symbol of exclusion.
How repulsive.

Would it be perversive and repulsive if Lady Liberty were unveiled with the homosexual rainbow?

Think about it, honestly. Let's say a story came out about how a New York shop had a statue of liberty in it's front window, but draped with the gay flag.

If I protested and said it was "repulsive" and "perverse", I 100% GUARANTEE you would counter my argument.

Think about it.
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kenny
Jul 5 2006, 08:44 PM
I'm not even going to answer that.

Larry, he still doesn't get it.
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Steve Miller
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$260,000.

If I were one of the parishioners, I'd be furious.
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Mikhailoh
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Larry, I in no way equated Christianity and the KKK. My point is that if one group can take this national symbol and modify it to suit their particular beliefs alone, so can another.
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Steve Miller
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May I direct your attention to Revelations 17:5

Is this how the good parishioners of the World Overcomers Outreach Ministry Church view Lady Liberty?

Is the US the new Babylon?

Is Lady Liberty the new harlot?
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And we see that all the time. It's their right to do what they want. The GAY AGENDA(tm) does it all the time, as do many groups in society.
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JBryan
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I find the title of this thread ironic.

I find the work to be tacky but not worth getting all bent out of shape over.
"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne


There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it".


Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody.

Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore.

From The Lion in Winter.
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Larry
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Mik, disregard my entire post. I mistakenly thought that Bernard made the statement. Since he didn't, my entire line of logic went right out the window..... :doh: As you can tell by reading it, nothing I said would have fit had I noticed who said it.....
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Dewey
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"I find the work to be tacky but not worth getting all bent out of shape over.


Yeah, what you said. Oh look, "Rock City Next Exit"...

"By nature, i prefer brevity." - John Calvin, Institutes of the Christian Religion, p. 685.

"Never waste your time trying to explain yourself to people who are committed to misunderstanding you." - Anonymous

"Oh sure, every once in a while a turd floated by, but other than that it was just fine." - Joe A., 2011

I'll answer your other comments later, but my primary priority for the rest of the evening is to get drunk." - Klaus, 12/31/14
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Dewey
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"Is the US the new Babylon?"

I don't think we're the new Babylon. But there are times that I wonder if we are (and I pray that we aren't) actually the "new Israelites."

The Hebrew Bible chronicles a seemingly endless cycle of the ancient Israelites glorifying and worshipping God; then gradually, over time, falling away from God; then the Israelites being shamed, destroyed, overrun, enslaved, etc., with only a small remnant of remaining. Eventually, the chastened remnant started from scratch, returning to God and forming a society around God's glorification. Then, in their complacency, the Israelites turned away from God, and the cycle repeats. Over, and over, and over again.

In their attempts to point out the Israelites' turning away from God, and their attempts to call them back, the ancient Hebrew prophets were notorious for some pretty unusual ways of getting noticed and making their point. The prophet Isaiah was instructed by God to preach his message publicly in the nude for three years. Others staged strange examples of what today would be considered "performance art" to make their point to the people. Compared to some of their exploits, a Statue of Liberty holding a cross and the Ten Commandments actually seems pretty mild.

No one can dispute the great good that the US has done, and spread, to others around the globe - arguably, more than any other country in the history of the world. But we also are responsible for many things that according to holy Scriptures, the Judeo-Christian God says is wrong (even if different Christians interpret this differently, the fact remains). Whether you're a believer on the left or right side of the political spectrum, there are certain aspects of our society that are indisputably contrary to God's ideal as identified in the Scriptures.

So it is a valid question: are we, in fact, not the new Babylon, but the new Israel? Are we, Humpty Dumpty-like, setting ourselves up for the next great historical fall? Is it taboo to even wonder about that possibility, even if we think the pastor and his big expensive statue are tacky?
"By nature, i prefer brevity." - John Calvin, Institutes of the Christian Religion, p. 685.

"Never waste your time trying to explain yourself to people who are committed to misunderstanding you." - Anonymous

"Oh sure, every once in a while a turd floated by, but other than that it was just fine." - Joe A., 2011

I'll answer your other comments later, but my primary priority for the rest of the evening is to get drunk." - Klaus, 12/31/14
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LWpianistin
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JBryan
Jul 5 2006, 10:01 PM


I find the work to be tacky but not worth getting all bent out of shape over.

What he said :uparrow:

It's tacky and I don't like it at all, but I have a life to live.
And how are you today?
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Ignoring religion for a second, as ethnocentric as it might seem - I believe the USA will be (and some say is) the next great dominating civilization. Many will cite the Roman Empire (and more infamously her collapse), the collapse of the Viking civilization, the collapse of the Egyptian way of life, the collapse of many other dominating civilizations....and more importantly the causes of said collapses. Perhaps the USA's relatively SPIKE in world power (200 years) is going to work against us in history? Perhaps our military dominance that once was, can't keep up (or will mutually destruct us along with North Korea for example), and perhaps we'll rot from within with non-specific but clearly humanistic and secular movements? Who knows. One thing is for sure - that we might not be (and no country, really) will be a world-dominating power any more. The flattening of the world in terms of trade, transporation, finance, and even terrorism might eliminate that possiblity. Perhaps what I'm discussing is a mix of two current best-sellers: Collapse by Jared Diamond, and The World is Flat by Thomas Friedman.
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Dewey
Jul 5 2006, 08:29 PM
"Is the US the new Babylon?"

I don't think we're the new Babylon. But there are times that I wonder if we are (and I pray that we aren't) actually the "new Israelites."

To assume we are set aside in any way by God -- new Babylon OR new Israel -- strikes me as amazingly arrogant.

Why would anyone assume that God cares any more for America (just a political entity) and Americans than He would care about any other political entity or any of his other children throughout the world?

Methinks Americans need a touch of humility if we actually think that God plays favorites -- and that we are the favorite!

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Mikhailoh
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I guess the people who should rightfully be ticked off here are the parishoners whose hard earned dollars went to buy this thing. :biggrin:

All are right.. this is no big deal.
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John D'Oh
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It's not an attack on America, or anything, it's just rather little Las Vegas. It's an ugly and tasteless waste of money which would have been better spent elsewhere, but sadly it's not my money so I don't have a say.

I think that book the statue is holding is 'The Christian Agenda'.

I very much doubt that if and when fascism comes to America it will look this ungainly. If there's one thing the Nazis understood, it was how to dress well.
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Nina
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What's with that additional brown, um, modesty cloak?

To be honest, I thought this was another case of Ashcroft covering the boobs on that statue... I didn't even catch the cross at first glance.

I wonder how big the thing is, and whether the neighbors are complaining? What an eyesore!
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