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Alberta Slams Al Gore
Topic Started: Jul 5 2006, 08:07 AM (434 Views)
AlbertaCrude
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Al Gore should should learn to stop meddling in other's affairs- especially ours:

EDMONTON - Former U.S. vice-president Al Gore says the continued development of Alberta's oilsands is "truly nuts," because the process of extracting the oil is expensive and inefficient...

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Mikhailoh
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Maybe you should listen.. if anyone knows 'truly nuts', it is surely Al. :lol:
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AlbertaCrude
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You're probably right and he's truly jealous to boot...
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Mark
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Al Gore is an ass.
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Mark
Jul 5 2006, 11:33 AM
Al Gore is an ass.

the ass is the mascot of the democratic party.. maybe it's intentional..

-apple who actually likes Al Gore and thinks he's just being a party guy.
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Mikhailoh
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I would greatly enjoy a camping trip with Al and a night ripping up Manhattan with Bill Clinton. just don't let them back into Washington.
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Nina
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The article essentially backs up what Gore says. It's attacking Gore the man, not the statement.

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JBryan
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Yes, it does say that it would take as much natural gas as it would take to heat four homes to extract one barrel of oil. However, it goes on to point out that that much natural gas would cost $3.50. Compared to $70/bbl for oil that is not a bad trade. Al Gore was correct but was stating a non sequitur.
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I don't think Gore knows what he's talking about, but for Ralph to describe Al Gore as 'as far left as you can go' would indicate that he doesn't get out of Alberta that much. :)
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Jul 5 2006, 08:33 AM
Al Gore is an ass.

I dunno, I think there's quite a few more politicians that would make my "he's an @$$ list" than Al Gore. But heck, maybe he is, I dunno.

At least he's more inclined to give his opinions nowadays. He may not have fully deserved his robotic stereotype, but he at least had it coming.

Maybe it's an act, but oh well, I don't mind. I think it's kind of nice when politicians give definitive opinions on a subject. At least you know where they stand.
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Mark
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I hate how condescending he tends to be.

If you enjoy being talked to as though you are a 5 year old child then Al Gore is your man!
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Jul 5 2006, 10:15 AM
I don't think Gore knows what he's talking about, but for Ralph to describe Al Gore as 'as far left as you can go' would indicate that he doesn't get out of Alberta that much. :)

Ralph is retiring as Premier in the fall, perhaps it will give him a chance to holiday in, say....Cuba.
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Jul 5 2006, 11:30 AM
The article essentially backs up what Gore says. It's attacking Gore the man, not the statement.

It attacks Gore because what the man is saying is idiotic.

When a company can make a 2000% profit, and provide a badly needed product, why would would a company not do that?

AC can speak to the reclamation process, and whether it is capable of returning the land back to a usable state, but I'm about to the point where I'd just as soon let the non-energy producing folks freeze in the dark...people seem not to mind our oil rigs and refineries, I figure they shouldn't mind a few in their backyard, or wherever we need to punch holes or produce energy by other means.
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AlbertaCrude
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The reclamation of land is ongoing and actually improves the quality of the land being that it was previously muskeg swamp. The major environmental downside is the amount of water used in the production of synthetic crude. Gore's failure to address that part of the equation and instead focus on the natural gas to make steam, leads me to believe he has no clue about what he is talking.

Like most liberals in this world, he feels compelled to meddle in other people's and countries' internal affairs.
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AlbertaCrude
Jul 5 2006, 05:04 PM
Like most liberals in this world, he feels compelled to meddle in other people's and countries' internal affairs.

You mean like this guy?

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AlbertaCrude
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Yeah, like that guy except that guy has some pretty strong songwriting skills to mitigate his politics.
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big al
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I can understand the point that developing non-conventional carbon-based fuel resources feeds the world's fuel habit to the likely detriment of the CO2 levels. On the other hand, I'd rather have available resources in the hand of a (mostly) friendly neighbor than have to rely on places like Iran and Venezuela for imports.

Very difficult to persuade anyone to place long-term interests with a less than clear payback ahead of short-term personal gain.

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The 89th Key
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Alberta?

Al Gore?

There's only ONE "Al" for me... :hearts:

JK :P
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George K
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big al
Jul 6 2006, 09:55 AM
I can understand the point that developing non-conventional carbon-based fuel resources feeds the world's fuel habit to the likely detriment of the CO2 levels.

Interesting story in yesterdays NYT about coal, and the US resources.

EAST DUBUQUE, Ill. — The coal in the ground in Illinois alone has more energy than all the oil in Saudi Arabia. The technology to turn that coal into fuel for cars, homes and factories is proven. And at current prices, that process could be at the vanguard of a big, new industry.

Such promise has attracted entrepreneurs and government officials, including the Secretary of Energy, who want domestic substitutes for foreign oil.

But there is a big catch. Producing fuels from coal generates far more carbon dioxide, which contributes to global warming, than producing vehicle fuel from oil or using ordinary natural gas. And the projects now moving forward have no incentive to capture carbon dioxide beyond the limited amount that they can sell for industrial use.

Here in East Dubuque, Rentech Inc., a research-and-development company based in Denver, recently bought a plant that has been turning natural gas into fertilizer for forty years. Rentech sees a clear opportunity to do something different because natural gas prices have risen so high. In an important test case for those in the industry, it will take a plunge and revive a technology that exploits America's cheap, abundant coal and converts it to expensive truck fuel.

"Otherwise, I don't see us having a future," John H. Diesch, the manager of the plant, said.

With today's worries about the price and long-term availability of oil, experts like Bill Reinert, national manager for advanced technologies at Toyota, say that turning coal into transportation fuel could offer a bright future. "It's a huge deal," he said.

There are drawbacks; the technology requires a large capital investment, and a plant could be rendered useless by a collapse in oil prices. But interest was high even before the rise in oil prices; three years ago, the Energy Department ran a seminar on synthetic hydrocarbon liquids, and scores of researchers and oil company executives showed up. The agency that runs municipal buses in Washington, D.C., and other consumers expressed interest.


The problem is, and you pointed out, the CO2 production, not to mention expense:

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"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... "
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Nothing is as effective as homeopathy.

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AlbertaCrude
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If I'm not mistaken, the Illinois coal is high sulphur/low calorific lignite as opposed to high ash/low sulphur bituminous or low ash anthracite both of which have high calorific values.

Alberta has more bituminous and anthracite than oil and gas reserves: Alberta's Coal Resources
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big al
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The US has the largest coal reserves of any nation. Western fields have been securing a larger share of the market because they are generally low sulphur coals whereas most eastern bimuinous and sub-bituminous coals are high in sulphur content, requiring flue gas scrubbing for use in power plants.

If any of the clean coal projects aimed at eliminating sulfer issues and sequestering carbon prove practical, then coal could be an energy source in the US and many other regions for a long, long time. Without such technology, coal is a very dirty source of energy in a variety of ways. Witness the successive fights over simple particulate emissions, sulphur (acid rain) emissions, mercury, and ultimately CO2.

Big Al
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