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| Tweet Topic Started: Jul 4 2006, 12:44 PM (369 Views) | |
| Jeffrey | Jul 4 2006, 12:44 PM Post #1 |
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Senior Carp
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http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/07/04/cia.binladen.ap/index.html CIA shuts down the "get Bin Laden" unit. |
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| Mikhailoh | Jul 4 2006, 12:57 PM Post #2 |
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If you want trouble, find yourself a redhead
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I think he has been marginalized to the point where he is just a figurehead. I suspect he dares not engage in too much operational detail these days. Still, it would be nice to have his head on a pike amongst my rhododendrons. |
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| ivorythumper | Jul 5 2006, 09:39 AM Post #3 |
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I am so adjective that I verb nouns!
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It must have been difficult running a "Get Bin Laden" unit when every move and strategem was susceptible to being front page headlines in the NYT. |
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| John D'Oh | Jul 5 2006, 09:41 AM Post #4 |
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MAMIL
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A hint for the CIA - if you want to stop newspapers from plastering your secrets all over page 1, stop telling journalists what you are doing. There's a reason it's called 'intelligence', although you'd hardly be able to guess sometimes. |
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| Nobody's Sock | Jul 5 2006, 10:12 AM Post #5 |
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Fulla-Carp
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Don't be naive John. This is just the kind of misinformation the CIA loves to put out. They are always a step ahead of the press. What noone knows is that even though the "Get Bin Laden" group has been disbanded, a new group has been formed unbeknownst to the blabbermouths. The new group is called "Got Bin Laden?" |
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| Jolly | Jul 5 2006, 10:12 AM Post #6 |
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Geaux Tigers!
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As I heard it explained this morning... It's a resources thing. Bin Laden has been neutralized in many ways from the command and control structure of his own terrorist group. The government felt it was wiser to reallocate the resources of the unit into the broader anti-terror efforts, but that the hunt for Bin Laden had not been called off. |
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| The 89th Key | Jul 5 2006, 10:18 AM Post #7 |
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Probably just a ploy... We probably already have bin laden - and are keeping him until the next election. |
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| Rick Zimmer | Jul 5 2006, 11:07 AM Post #8 |
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Fulla-Carp
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As I've said many times, Bush has focused our resources in the wrong place. All this time, energy, money, manpower, deaths and injuries to rebuild Iraq -- while we now decide to give bin-Laden a free ride. |
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| Jolly | Jul 5 2006, 11:14 AM Post #9 |
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Geaux Tigers!
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Uh, says who? The hunt for Bin Laden has not been called off. It has just been allocated into the larger war against terror. Believe it, or not (and I do believe it) there are many other nasty people in the world who wish us ill. It is myopic to only consider Bin Laden, or even Al Quada as the only threat to the U.S. |
| The main obstacle to a stable and just world order is the United States.- George Soros | |
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| QuirtEvans | Jul 5 2006, 11:42 AM Post #10 |
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I Owe It All To John D'Oh
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If you can't get him, pretend you don't want him. And hope that no one remembers you swearing on a proverbial stack of Bibles that you'd never rest until you got him. And then there's always Groucho Marx: "Military intelligence is a contradiction in terms." |
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| The 89th Key | Jul 5 2006, 11:44 AM Post #11 |
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Maybe this will make him think he can move around a little more now... I think the squeaky sound of his oxygen tank rolling will give away his location.
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| Rick Zimmer | Jul 5 2006, 11:53 AM Post #12 |
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Fulla-Carp
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All based on the position that we simply do not have adequate resopurces to focus on getting the ideological and inspirational leader of worldwide terrorism. Hmmmm.... I wonder where all those resources are being spent if they are not being spent in trying to take out the primary spokesperson who planned and ensured the execution of 9/11. One would think that in itself would have been enough to keep the pressure on. Of course, had Bush not refocused his attention and our resources away from bin Laden and towards unnecessarily invading and occupying Iraq, bin Laden would either be in custody now, dead, or still on the run -- and not giving videotaped pep talks to terrorists around the world. |
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| JBryan | Jul 5 2006, 12:01 PM Post #13 |
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I am the grey one
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Lately, his pep talks have been on audio tape. |
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"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it". Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody. Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore. From The Lion in Winter. | |
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| kenny | Jul 5 2006, 12:38 PM Post #14 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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You really think Bin Laden could beat Hillary or Gore? |
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| The 89th Key | Jul 5 2006, 12:41 PM Post #15 |
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Well, it would be a hard choice for the democrats... |
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| Jolly | Jul 5 2006, 12:43 PM Post #16 |
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Geaux Tigers!
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Again, who said the hunt is over? |
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| Rick Zimmer | Jul 5 2006, 01:11 PM Post #17 |
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Fulla-Carp
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Oh, they'll still look -- when they have time. In any organization, when the boss says to a group that has a focused objective that they now no longer have that focused objective but are to make their previous objective just one of many others they now have, the focused objective is over. The question is -- why don't we have the resources and the time to go after the man who spearheaded the greatest attack on America since WWII? The man who rallies the worldwide jihadist terrorists -- the real enemy -- against us? We had the resources and now we don't. But, I'll bet we have the resources to go after the Sunni and Shiite insurgents in Iraq, those who we "liberated" and now are fighting us for control of their country. This announcement is simply more evidence that Bush has misallocated our resources and has us fighting the wrong war. You can defend him if you want, Jolly. Undoubtedly you will. I however will continue to point out that we have a real enemy out there, wanting to do us real damage. And this enemy is not a bunch of Iraqi warlords and Iraqi religious-political leaders. And that we would have had the resources -- indeed might have already gotten bin-Laden -- and would still have the resources if it were not for Bush's Iraqi diversion. |
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| Radu | Jul 5 2006, 01:13 PM Post #18 |
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Senior Carp
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| JBryan | Jul 5 2006, 01:22 PM Post #19 |
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I am the grey one
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I can't help but wonder how important Osama bin Laden is going to be to Rick once he is captured. |
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"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it". Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody. Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore. From The Lion in Winter. | |
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| Jolly | Jul 5 2006, 01:25 PM Post #20 |
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Geaux Tigers!
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My, what a silly fellow you can be... Have you ever run an organization? One with several people? Say 40, 50, more? Sure, people do the crap about mission statements, focus groups, Sigma Six or whatever else is the corporate feel-good self-mastabatory exercise of the day, but at the end of it all its simply a matter of doing what you are supposed to be doing, well. And not only the core business must be done well, but it must be done with the resources you have. In the case of OBL, the management has decided that the business of the Federal Government is to keep America safe from terrorist attack. It has decided that there are multiple threats around the world, and resources must be reallocated to achieve the core responsibilities. It has not given up the hunt, and I'm sure that actionable intelligence would prompt a very fast response of the Delta House boys knocking on OBL's cave entrance, seeking to par-tay. It is not T-E-O-T-W-A-W-K-I. Relax. Breathe. OBL's day is coming.... |
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| Rick Zimmer | Jul 5 2006, 02:35 PM Post #21 |
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Fulla-Carp
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As a matter of fact yes. And I know exactly what happens when you tell an employee or group of employees that they have a focused objective and what happens to that focused objective when it becomes just another one of many things to do in a broader multi-facted task. You and I are not going to agree on this, Jolly. You think that if the US succeeds in Iraq (whatever success is as Bush is currently defining it) that we will have made a major dent in the world wide terrorism network. I disagree. I think all we will have done is spent lots of time, lives and money in Iraq and then skeedaddle out of there as fast as we can because it has become too costly for too little benefit -- just as Bush is now making plans to do. And when we are done there, Al Quaeda and the entire network will remain in place and will remain a major threat to the US and to the rest of the world. |
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| Jolly | Jul 6 2006, 06:49 AM Post #22 |
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Geaux Tigers!
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At least we agree on one thing... I look at this as an allocation of resources problem. Granted, we have made it a priority to bring OBL in dead or alive and have not succeeded. We have, however, succeeded in putting some pretty serious dents in his organization. Right now, the focus of the War on Terror is Iraq. That is where the jihadists are gathered, and that is where we must stage the bulk of this war - those are not my thoughts, but an extrapolation of part of OBL's last public statements. Focus in any organization is fine as long as it doesn't lead to tunnel vision. Too many administrative people become so focused on one problem that they never see the train when it hits them. This war is asymetrical and multifaceted. We must engage the enemy in like manner. |
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| George K | Jul 6 2006, 06:54 AM Post #23 |
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Finally
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But, but, but... we know that Iraq had nothing to do with training other terrorists, despite what we find in the Saddam files. Before our invasion, it was a country of kite-flying children, starved by the West. Thank goodness for the oil-for food program! |
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