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English ordering only!; ...says Philly's best cheesesteak place
Topic Started: Jun 9 2006, 07:19 AM (632 Views)
Axtremus
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Jun 9 2006, 11:19 AM

I respect the proprietor's right to impose whatever rule he wants for his privately owned business.

But I've got to say, this anti-sign language move thing really descriminates against the deaf and mute. :veryangry:
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Steve Miller
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Seems a bit odd, coming from a guy named "Geno".

Might be fun to go in there and order a sandwich in Italian.
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big al
Jun 9 2006, 11:11 AM
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Jun 9 2006, 09:30 AM
big al
Jun 9 2006, 10:25 AM
I assume you aren't looking for and wouldn't accept if offered any commissions from other than English speaking clients, IT.

Big Al

Why do you say that, Big Al? I just assume its a marketing move -- sort of like Macy's pandering to the gays and then pandering to the straights. Why are you trying to personalize this?

I was just curious if what you described as a great business move had any applicability in your area of service.

Big Al

Since I don't advertise, I don't need to grandstand...

However, my niche marketed business is "Catholic only", so perhaps there's an analogy to be drawn. However, in the food industry non English speaking money still gets hungry, and I don't think I'd get ANY press-- good or bad-- if I annouced that I'll only design *Catholic* churches. :lol:
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Steve Miller
Jun 9 2006, 11:20 AM
Seems a bit odd, coming from a guy named "Geno".

Actually it seem entirely consistent. Assuming he came from an immigrant family, he or his parents learned the language, and perhaps thinks everyone else who moves here should as well.
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Axtremus
Jun 9 2006, 11:16 AM

But I've got to say, this anti-sign language move thing really descriminates against the deaf and mute.  :veryangry:

Perhaps you can send him a sticker that says "AMERICAN Sign Language ONLY!!!" :wink:
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Jun 9 2006, 10:30 AM
I just assume its a marketing move -- sort of like Macy's pandering to the gays and then pandering to the straights. 

Macy's move is not pandering to "straights".

I daresay the vast majority of "straights", particularly in NYC, don't go for that sort of persecution intolerance bigotry narrow-mindedness

er... stuff.
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Steve Miller
Jun 9 2006, 11:29 AM
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Jun 9 2006, 10:30 AM
I just assume its a marketing move -- sort of like Macy's pandering to the gays and then pandering to the straights. 

Macy's move is not pandering to "straights".

I daresay the vast majority of "straights", particularly in NYC, don't go for that sort of persecution intolerance bigotry narrow-mindedness

er... stuff.

But they were pandering to gays?
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Jun 9 2006, 11:41 AM
But they were pandering to gays?

Of course! :cool:
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Jun 9 2006, 12:56 PM
George K
Jun 9 2006, 12:48 PM
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Jun 9 2006, 10:53 AM
How hard is it to pronounce "cheeseteak"?

Cheeze Teek? :wave:

Yes. Yes, that may very well be more along the lines of how they would pronounce it :P

Even still, if that was what came out, I doubt the worker taking the order at Pat's Steaks would reply with a "Huh?"

And let me just say again, I hope the employees at this place are willing to work with not-quite-up-to-par pronunciation. As long as someone is giving his best attempt at the language, he should be met with patience and civility.

:doh: :doh: :doh: :doh:

I totally missed that you were pointing out a spelling error.

Well, what the heck do you expect from a vegetarian, hmmm?!

And 89th, I see now that your sig. is mocking me :angry:
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Jun 9 2006, 02:25 PM
Steve Miller
Jun 9 2006, 11:20 AM
Seems a bit odd, coming from a guy named "Geno".

Actually it seem entirely consistent. Assuming he came from an immigrant family, he or his parents learned the language, and perhaps thinks everyone else who moves here should as well.

The article talks about his family's move from Sicily, and learning the language.

As far as publicity. I knew there were two "arch rival" cheesesteak places in Philly, but I didn't know the name, and I will go to Geno's if I'm ever in town. :yes:
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Oops, I didn't notice the error, either! I thought it was a good line! :)

I will leave it up for a period of 24 hours though.
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Is it a business owner's obligation to provide interpreters for customers who demand the "right" to place an order, or patronize the business, in the language of their choosing - whatever language that might be?

I would certainly not turn down a client who primarily spoke a language other than English. But if this client refused to also speak in English for my benefit, so that I could understand his project needs and wishes - or if he didn't provide me with someone who could translate his wishes to me - then yes, I'd turn the client down because of the inevitable confusion, and failure to meet the client's intended goals, that would ensue.

"By nature, i prefer brevity." - John Calvin, Institutes of the Christian Religion, p. 685.

"Never waste your time trying to explain yourself to people who are committed to misunderstanding you." - Anonymous

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Dewey
Jun 9 2006, 12:19 PM
because of the inevitable confusion, and failure to meet the client's intended goals, that would ensue.

Sheesh, Dewey -- in our profession that happens we we all speak the same language anyway! :wink:

Bt if you had to hire an interpreter to do business, you'd probably bill it back somehow -- so perhaps a 10% premium on "non English orders"?
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Jun 9 2006, 12:19 PM
I'd turn the client down because of the inevitable confusion, and failure to meet the client's intended goals, that would ensue.

Yeah, but the guy is building a sandwich, not a skyscraper.

Come to think of it, if he were building a skyscraper, I'd learn *his* language.
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Jun 9 2006, 11:24 AM
Dewey
Jun 9 2006, 12:19 PM
because of the inevitable confusion, and failure to meet the client's intended goals, that would ensue.

Sheesh, Dewey -- in our profession that happens we we all speak the same language anyway! :wink:

Bt if you had to hire an interpreter to do business, you'd probably bill it back somehow -- so perhaps a 10% premium on "non English orders"?

Sheesh, Dewey -- in our profession that happens we we all speak the same language anyway!

'Zackly!


Bt if you had to hire an interpreter to do business, you'd probably bill it back somehow -- so perhaps a 10% premium on "non English orders"?

Oh, of course - until some federal agency came in & sued me for ten times my net worth, claiming that to do so was in some manner illegal and discriminatory.

"By nature, i prefer brevity." - John Calvin, Institutes of the Christian Religion, p. 685.

"Never waste your time trying to explain yourself to people who are committed to misunderstanding you." - Anonymous

"Oh sure, every once in a while a turd floated by, but other than that it was just fine." - Joe A., 2011

I'll answer your other comments later, but my primary priority for the rest of the evening is to get drunk." - Klaus, 12/31/14
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Jun 9 2006, 11:27 AM
Yeah, but the guy is building a sandwich, not a skyscraper.

Right, which is why I was speaking more to the generic issue - but by your same point, you're right, it aint rocket science - but therefore, neither is it too tough for the customer to master saying, "One wit'." ^_^


BTW, I didn't get a chance to say so earlier, but I was sorry to hear about your Mom's passing. I'm sure she was an amazing woman; she seems to have raised a good boy.
"By nature, i prefer brevity." - John Calvin, Institutes of the Christian Religion, p. 685.

"Never waste your time trying to explain yourself to people who are committed to misunderstanding you." - Anonymous

"Oh sure, every once in a while a turd floated by, but other than that it was just fine." - Joe A., 2011

I'll answer your other comments later, but my primary priority for the rest of the evening is to get drunk." - Klaus, 12/31/14
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Thank you, Dwain.
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The owner was just on Neil Cavuto. He was hilarious!

:thumb:

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"By nature, i prefer brevity." - John Calvin, Institutes of the Christian Religion, p. 685.

"Never waste your time trying to explain yourself to people who are committed to misunderstanding you." - Anonymous

"Oh sure, every once in a while a turd floated by, but other than that it was just fine." - Joe A., 2011

I'll answer your other comments later, but my primary priority for the rest of the evening is to get drunk." - Klaus, 12/31/14
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I just came back from a long weekend in Philly. I thought it was common knowledge by now that both Pat's and Geno's were mobbed tourist traps, cheesesteak-wise.

Now there's a place around the corner from them two blocks further into South Philly that won Inside Philly's Cheesesteak award several years running that I am keeping secret so it doesn't get ruined .... :)
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Jeffrey
Jun 9 2006, 03:53 PM
I just came back from a long weekend in Philly.  I thought it was common knowledge by now that both Pat's and Geno's were mobbed tourist traps, cheesesteak-wise. 

Now there's a place around the corner from them two blocks further into South Philly that won Inside Philly's Cheesesteak award several years running that I am keeping secret so it doesn't get ruined ....  :)

Wow -- it's Friday! That's what I call a loooooooong weekend! :thumb:

And I always prefer Chubby's -- but de gustibus and all that.
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I think it's reasonable. Just try ordering a poutine in Quebec city en anglais or for that matter a poutine in Alberta en francais.
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Actually, Philly's really cleaned up. I went back over Memorial Day weekend with the Mrs. dumping the Little Darling on the grandparents. My first teaching gig out of grad school was at U Penn back in the very early 90's. There were places that you just didn't go. Now there is a big plan to bring in tourism and convention dollars to replace the manufacturing jobs that have left. Young people are moving back to Center City in droves and fixing up the colonial houses. A Trader Joe's just opened there about 3 years ago! (There didn't used to be any grocery store in the center area for a long time.) Still more racial tension than I would like and aggressive panhandling more hostile and antagonistic than in NYC, but a wonderful place to walk for a weekend. The Barnes Foundation just outside Philly has probably the best collection of Impressionist Art in the world, certainly in America.

Ok, the best cheesesteak in Philly is at Cosmi's Deli at 1501 8th St, about 15 minutes walk from South Street. I was going to keep it a secret, but I just can't stand the idea that anyone would actually go to Pat's or Geno's.
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