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Ann Coulter - true to form
Topic Started: Jun 7 2006, 10:53 AM (3,221 Views)
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ycul
Jun 11 2006, 01:42 PM
Absolutely not. The evidence is there if you want to find it, but I'm not getting drawn into the trap of  taking seriously the so called "political" tirade of a deranged horse.

In other words, you don't know your ass from a hole in the ground, you can't show where she lied, and you'd rather wallow in your own ignorance and toss turd bombs at the woman rather than think for yourself. As for the "evidence" that's supposedly there for me to find...... apparently there isn't any, or you'd have at least given an example of it rather than admit defeat the way you did.

In other words, you're a typical brain dead liberal.
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Jun 11 2006, 02:29 PM
Maybe it would be easier to ask where did she tell the truth. :D

(I can't believe anyone takes her that seriously.)

I don't take her seriously, Lucy, and I can understand why you in GB have no horse in this race, and I can understand your comment might have been tongue in cheek, but I've yet to hear any outright fabrications from her. Distasteful and even ugly things, hyperbolic to be sure, but no lies.

She is not in the same category as Saint Michael Moore.
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ycul
Jun 11 2006, 04:42 PM
Absolutely not. The evidence is there if you want to find it, but I'm not getting drawn into the trap of taking seriously the so called "political" tirade of a deranged horse.

So, it's OK to make a statement, like, well, "Bill Clinton stole money from the taxpayers in the Whitewater scandal" and I am to accept it without proof? The burden of proof is on the accuser. There was a statement made that Coulter lies. I asked for documentation and it's up to me to provide something I claim doesn't exist?

Can't get much more circular than that!

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I can't believe you people are taking this woman seriously enough to continue having this discussion.

Tell ya' what all of you who are so sure that she only speaks truth can do...

Go to the article that started this and then to the interview which was subsequently posted. They have already been posted. No need for anyone here to report them.

Pull out every quote from this woman, sentence by sentence, thought by thought. Then tell me which of them you believe them you acknowledge as the truth and thus agree with (certainly none of you would disagree with the truth).

Don't tell me they are hyperbole. Don't tell me she is shrill. Just take each statement she makes -- one at a time -- and tell me if you think she is speaking truth. They are either true or not. So, tell me which they are.
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Rick Zimmer
Jun 11 2006, 04:27 PM

Pull out every quote from this woman, sentence by sentence, thought by thought.  Then tell me which of them you believe them you acknowledge as the truth and thus agree with (certainly none of you would disagree with the truth). 

Don't tell me they are hyperbole.  Don't tell me she is shrill.  Just take each statement she makes -- one at a time -- and tell me if you think she is speaking truth. They are either true or not.  So, tell me which they are.

It's much more fun to do that with your quotes, Rick. :lol: (how do you think I discovered the Zimmerian Dialectic(tm)?)
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You don't need to lie in order to not tel the truth. Innuendo and hyberbole are much more effective, are they not? That's how propoganda is normally presented. I wasn't the one who claimed she lied, but just look at the verbal effluent below:

'I've never seen women enjoying their husbands deaths so much' - innuendo, and extremely nasty.

'These broads are millionaires, lionized on TV and in articles about them, reveling in their status as celebrities and stalked by grief-arazzis' - nice

'And by the way, how do we know their husbands weren't planning to divorce these harpies? Now that their shelf life is dwindling, they'd better hurry up and appear in Playboy.' - Innuendo.

The people she's speaking about are human beings. Unless she has proof of what they are, and let's face it, she doesn't know any of them, she'd be a lot better off keeping her big mouth shut. She accuses others of playing dirty pool, while at the same time acting like a media whore with a secret stash of 8-balls. I think the word we're looking for, rather than liar, is hypocrite. Which is worse?
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I don't think she's a hypocrite. Boxers don't call each other bullies, she just gets in there and mixes it up with the other side. I think she is pretty nasty and distasteful, but I don't see hypocrisy (eg, has she ever suggested that she ought not be attacked because she's a woman?)
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You are not really defending what she said, are you thumps?

Please tell me you are not. I have a higher opinion of you than believing you would defend such statements.
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Jun 11 2006, 05:58 PM
You don't need to lie in order to not tel the truth. Innuendo and hyberbole are much more effective, are they not? That's how propoganda is normally presented. I wasn't the one who claimed she lied, but just look at the verbal effluent below:

'I've never seen women enjoying their husbands deaths so much' - innuendo, and extremely nasty.

'These broads are millionaires, lionized on TV and in articles about them, reveling in their status as celebrities and stalked by grief-arazzis' - nice

'And by the way, how do we know their husbands weren't planning to divorce these harpies? Now that their shelf life is dwindling, they'd better hurry up and appear in Playboy.' - Innuendo.

The people she's speaking about are human beings. Unless she has proof of what they are, and let's face it, she doesn't know any of them, she'd be a lot better off keeping her big mouth shut. She accuses others of playing dirty pool, while at the same time acting like a media whore with a secret stash of 8-balls. I think the word we're looking for, rather than liar, is hypocrite. Which is worse?

A few facts to munch on:

1. The women are millionaires, that's a fact. If not before the payout by the feds (which should have NEVER happened IMNSHO), certainly afterwards.

2. There are literally hundreds, if not thousands of widows and widowers because of 9/11. Besides the Jersey Girls, which other families used the political leverage brought about by sought-after media exposure?

3. The Jersey Girls even went as far to cut commercials for the Kerry Campaign, even while the Kerry Campaign was lambasting Bush for using a 3/10 second flash of a flag-draped coffin in a campaign ad. Can Kerry whack Bush for his imagery?Sure, it's politics. And if that holds true, turn-about is very much fair play.

There's that old saw about heat by Truman again...



So did Ann go over the top? Yeah, I'd say she did. I'm also cynical enough to admit part of her bomb-chunkin' is probably just to move books.

Hyperbole and innuendo aside, however, the fact remains that at the core, her facts have so far withstood scrutiny, or you'd be hearing from some of our more Leftward leaning members....
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ycul
Jun 11 2006, 03:42 PM
Absolutely not. The evidence is there if you want to find it, but I'm not getting drawn into the trap of taking seriously the so called "political" tirade of a deranged horse.

Thank you for admitting you have no clue as to what you are talking about.
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Rick Zimmer
Jun 11 2006, 05:10 PM
You are not really defending what she said, are you thumps?

Please tell me you are not. I have a higher opinion of you than believing you would defend such statements.

Rick:

How you can get "defending" out of my saying that I think she is "pretty nasty and distasteful" is beyond me. I don't read her much, but show me some examples of where she outright fabricates things or demonstrates hypocrisy.
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Jolly
Jun 11 2006, 04:29 PM
Hyperbole and innuendo aside, however, the fact remains that at the core, her facts have so far withstood scrutiny, or you'd be hearing from some of our more Leftward leaning members....

Jolly, Jolly, Jolly...

The threading together of facts -- and then reaching or implying a conclusion -- does not make the conclusion factual nor prove it is factual.

You know that! Sheesh!
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Jun 11 2006, 04:38 PM
I don't read her much, but show me some examples of where she outright fabricates things or demonstrates hypocrisy.

thumps, thumps, thumps,

The threading together of facts -- and then reaching or implying a conclusion -- does not make the conclusion factual nor prove it is factual.

Indeed, the concluson can be a fabrication.

You know that! Sheesh!
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I find it bothersome that Conservatives here feel it necessary to defend someone like Coulter. With all the articulate and knowledgeable spokespeople for the conservative viewpoint who exhibit class, dignity and panache, why defend, let alone extol, a mean-spirited publicity-seeking harpy like Coulter.

And defenses based on fingering worse transgressors than Coulter on the Left are absolutely juvenile. It's the kind of argument I'd expect to hear in nursery schools, except that the kids today are too sophisticated for that kind of prattle. So what that Rick posts a demand for Conservatives to disavow Coulter. If I disavow her, does that mean I'm conceding any merit for the Leftist viewpoint or spokespeople?
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Jun 11 2006, 08:29 PM

Hyperbole and innuendo aside, however, the fact remains that at the core, her facts have so far withstood scrutiny, or you'd be hearing from some of our more Leftward leaning members....

The hyperbole and innuendo that I quoted do not necessarily follow from the facts that you quoted. A lie is an intention to mislead, and depending on where you stand, she can be accused of doing a lot of that.

For what it's worth, I don't like politicians using victims in political campaigns. I don't much like them using war-heroes either. Politics is nasty, and Anne Coulter is a part of it. I think it's a damn shame that so much of the current political debate is so superficial, and in many cases down-right unpleasant. It's particularly saddening at times when there's so much at stake, such as the current situation.
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Jun 11 2006, 05:52 PM
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Jun 11 2006, 04:38 PM
I don't read her much, but show me some examples of where she outright fabricates things or demonstrates hypocrisy.

thumps, thumps, thumps,

The threading together of facts -- and then reaching or implying a conclusion -- does not make the conclusion factual nor prove it is factual.

Indeed, the concluson can be a fabrication.

You know that! Sheesh!

Ah, yes, I forgot Chapter Six of the Zimmerian Dialectic(tm). ;)

So are you agreeing with me that while she might draw faulty conclusions, she is neither a liar nor a hypocrite, as some in this thread have accused her of of being???
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Jun 11 2006, 05:56 PM
I find it bothersome that Conservatives here feel it necessary to defend someone like Coulter. With all the articulate and knowledgeable spokespeople for the conservative viewpoint who exhibit class, dignity and panache, why defend, let alone extol, a mean-spirited publicity-seeking harpy like Coulter.

And defenses based on fingering worse transgressors than Coulter on the Left are absolutely juvenile. It's the kind of argument I'd expect to hear in nursery schools, except that the kids today are too sophisticated for that kind of prattle. So what that Rick posts a demand for Conservatives to disavow Coulter. If I disavow her, does that mean I'm conceding any merit for the Leftist viewpoint or spokespeople?

Frank, I for one am not defending her -- I just don't agree with the "any stick to beat a dog with" that some have employed here.
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Jun 11 2006, 05:26 PM
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Jun 11 2006, 04:38 PM
I don't read her much, but show me some examples of where she outright fabricates things or demonstrates hypocrisy.

thumps, thumps, thumps,

The threading together of facts -- and then reaching or implying a conclusion -- does not make the conclusion factual nor prove it is factual.

Indeed, the concluson can be a fabrication.

You know that! Sheesh!

Ah, yes, I forgot Chapter Six of the Zimmerian Dialectic(tm). ;)

So are you agreeing with me that while she might draw faulty conclusions, she is neither a liar nor a hypocrite, as some in this thread have accused her of of being???

If she purposely draws incorrect conclusions and presents them as if they are true, she is a liar. You think she does not intend to present the conclusions she draws?

You gonna stop defending her thumps? Tryting to make it seem like she is just some poor victim here?

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Jun 11 2006, 06:30 PM
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Jun 11 2006, 04:38 PM
I don't read her much, but show me some examples of where she outright fabricates things or demonstrates hypocrisy.

thumps, thumps, thumps,

The threading together of facts -- and then reaching or implying a conclusion -- does not make the conclusion factual nor prove it is factual.

Indeed, the concluson can be a fabrication.

You know that! Sheesh!

Ah, yes, I forgot Chapter Six of the Zimmerian Dialectic(tm). ;)

So are you agreeing with me that while she might draw faulty conclusions, she is neither a liar nor a hypocrite, as some in this thread have accused her of of being???

If she purposely draws incorrect conclusions and presents them as if they are true, she is a liar. You think she does not intend to present the conclusions she draws?

You gonna stop defending her thumps? Tryting to make it seem like she is just some poor victim here?

You are presuming that she is intentionally drawing faulty conclusions. How can you know her thought process or motives? All you can do is show that she draws conclusions that you disagree with.

Again, I'm not defending her, I am just calling into question the grounds of your attack. Sort of like you disagree with the grounds of Bush's invading Iraq -- are you really defending Saddam Hussein by attacking Bush??? :wink:
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Jun 11 2006, 02:09 PM
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We'll all be so disappointed when we find there's no centerfold.  :biggrin:

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Jun 11 2006, 06:09 PM
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Ahh... so that's her true form. :yesgrin:
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Jun 11 2006, 04:10 PM
You are not really defending what she said, are you thumps?

Please tell me you are not. I have a higher opinion of you than believing you would defend such statements.

Doesn't look to me like she needs anyone to defend her - she's quite capable of doing that by herself. But do I agree with her? Yes. Is she "nasty"? Hell yeah - and it's like a breath of fresh air among the putrid smell of the hypocrisy from the left she's hammering on. Cindy Sheehan is an idiot, a hypocrite, doesn't have a clue what she's talking about, and *should* be an embarrassment to every red blooded American, regardless of your politics - yet you lefties refuse to take her to task. You use her exactly like Coulter says you do - you stand this mentally challenged moron up and let her run her stupid mouth, and if anyone says the least bad thing about her, you accuse them of being mean spirited because "she lost her son in Iraq". JUST LIKE COULTER SAID YOU DO. Rick, you've done it, and so have a few other leftwing extremists here.

The Jersey Girls get up and do their song and dance, become political activists pushing a leftwing agenda, spreading lies and propaganda - and just like Coulter says you do you leftwing extremists jump all over anyone who even slightly tries to take them to task - JUST LIKE COULTER SAYS YOU DO.

Murtha - say the least little thing about this grandstanding moron, and you can count on Rick to be the first one to share his outrage at your "attack", because (even though he can't think of any *other* war heros besides Kerry he supports) Murtha is one of the left's Official Party Approved War Heros.....

And all the while, the outrage you lefties are expressing deals with what she said about the Jersey Girls - and there's a reason. You're simply calling up your deeply entrenched hatred of all things conservative to "get into character" - because you want to avoid the actual topic of her book at all costs:

Modern Liberalism has become a religion

It has, and it must be crushed.

So yeah - I'd like to see an army of Ann Coulters out there nailing your asses to the wall, exposing your hypocrisy and lies. It makes you uncomfortable - but it makes you uncomfortable because you have to ignore all the lies *your* side has supported and pushed, and it makes you uncomfortable because while you can make your silly arguments as to why you think her statements are lies, the fact is, not one of you can show where she has lied.

Get used to it - some of us can see the bankruptcy of your ideology, and we're working to expose it for the antiAmerican, self serving, damaging religion that it is.



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And with that, we'll leave the conservatives here to mark what they see as some sort of victory.

At least we know who they consider as an impo0rtant figure who speaks for them.

As far as I am concerned, you guys can have Ann as a representative of your political pursuasion. In fact, from the way you have all defended her here, I'd say you deserve her.
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As far as I am concerned, you guys can have Ann as a representative of your political pursuasiuon. In fact, from the way you have all defended her here, I'd say you deserve her.


And you can have the ones *you* defend - Sheehan, the "grieving mother" of a son she abandoned when he was 7 years old and only became interested in him after he died, and only because it gave her her 15 minutes of fame, who has time to sit in a ditch accusing Bush of dropping nuclear bombs on little children but can't seem to find the time to buy a headstone for her son: or Murtha, that one time war veteran turned political opportunist who we are now finding out has been using the war in Iraq for his own self interests as he works toward taking over as head of the democrat party, and all the other various mentally constipated self serving political opportunists who make up the leadership of your bankrupt party, and to Michael Moore, a moron who should need no further introduction.

I'll leave you to let those idiots be *your* representative, because they perfectly sum up the mentally ill condition of liberalism today in America. I'll be happy to let Ann Coulter speak for me. At least she has the guts to stand up to the hypocrisy that comes from the democrats and leftwing extremists, and doesn't have to resort to lies like your representatives do.
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I find it bothersome that Conservatives here feel it necessary to defend someone like Coulter. With all the articulate and knowledgeable spokespeople for the conservative viewpoint who exhibit class, dignity and panache, why defend, let alone extol, a mean-spirited publicity-seeking harpy like Coulter.


That's a good question, but the answer is quite simple. The ones who try to address the hypocrisy of the American Left using "dignity and panache" get buried under by the nasty, mean spirited, lying and crass spokespeople from the left - who do exactly what Coulter says they do - trot out someone they can hide behind like Sheehan or Murtha or the Jersey Girls, and shout them down if they even bring the subjects Coulter talks about up. What I find bothersome is that there are people who can't figure this out, and who attack Coulter all while supporting and defending their own bomb throwers. These leftwing bomb throwers who by the way, deal almost exclusively in lies.

I can tell you with complete confidence that those here who are trashing Coulter the most haven't even read what she said in complete context, and not a single one of them have the slightest idea of the point she was trying to make.
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