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Senate rejects gay marriage ban
Topic Started: Jun 7 2006, 08:07 AM (2,305 Views)
Aqua Letifer
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When did I say they were all the same? When did I compare the two?

All I said was his word for that, would be my word for my stance against gay marriage. The word is the only thing they have in common.



Holy crap. Are you serious? Do you mean in this thread, or ever? I hope you don't mean ever.

I cite irreconcilable differences.
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Most Americans are fair people, they are willing to work together to solve the problems of inequity, if the solution does not hurt society as a whole, or if the solution does not infringe on the civil rights of others. Dobson (or Falwell for that matter) AFAIK, does not stand against laws that grant homosexuals the ability to serve as next-of-kin, the ability to share in health insurance, the ability to designate who may inherit estate assets. They do, however, oppose legislation or judicial fiat that codifies gay marriage.

And that, to put it bluntly, is what many of you can't get through your thick skulls.

To not give a person everything he wants is not to persecute him. To oppose is not bigotry. To advocate is not intolerant.


Good post. :yes:
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You going to answer my question?

Do you mean in this thread, or in general?
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Aqua Letifer
Jun 8 2006, 01:56 PM
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When did I say they were all the same? When did I compare the two?

All I said was his word for that, would be my word for my stance against gay marriage. The word is the only thing they have in common.



Holy crap. Are you serious? Do you mean in this thread, or ever? I hope you don't mean ever.

Look at the facts:

1. Steve asked for a word to describe my "opposition" to gay marriage.
2. I told him it would be the same word he uses to "oppose" incest marriage.
3. You claimed I was comparing the two in this thread.
4. I asked, "When did I compare the two?"

This thread.
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Aqua Letifer
Jun 8 2006, 02:01 PM
You going to answer my question?

Do you mean in this thread, or in general?

Do you want to give me more than 2 minutes to see AND reply to your question? Calm down.
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Well I'm just making sure, becuase you've used that argument, many times, before. Which is why it's no surprise to me you brought up something different in a thread about homosexual marriage.
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Jun 8 2006, 10:08 AM

But what of civil unions? Same rights of cohabitation etc. as a marriage but within a non-religious framework? Would you support such an arrangement were it to appear on a ballot in Louisiana, Jolly? Kenny, could you live with something like this? IT has weighed in previously on the issue, and I can't recall anyone being dead-set against it.

It would certainly be nice to settle this and get on with it.

So is my proposal for Registered Domestic Corporations(tm) involving any number of consenting adults of any sexual composition or inclination gaining ground? When I first advanced it, the RDC(tm) was wholeheartedly dismissed.
The dogma lives loudly within me.
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Aqua Letifer
Jun 8 2006, 02:06 PM
Well I'm just making sure, becuase you've used that argument, many times, before. Which is why it's no surprise to me you brought up something different in a thread about homosexual marriage.

Yes I have used the argument before, and it's a valid argument, as Jolly was just saying as well. But it's not relevant in this thread, which is why I said "not to debate this" or something like that, because I'm not comparing the two, I was just making it very clear to steve that whichever word he picked, would probably be the same word I used, since he was asking for an applicable word. I knew someone would probably come in and try to say "Look! 89th is comparing the two again!" and I would show them how I wasn't comparing the two at all. I should have guessed that it was going to be you...
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Get a better argument, one that's actually valid, and then I won't be so apt to call you on it.
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Jun 8 2006, 11:07 AM
When I first advanced it, the RDC(tm) was wholeheartedly dismissed.

I didn't dismiss it, although introducing poligamy in to the mix changes the discussion slightly.

If it doesn't affect me (and it doesn't; I can't imagine wanting - much less answering to taking care of - more than one wife), then I don't see the harm in it.

Ditto gay RDCs.
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Aqua Letifer
Jun 8 2006, 02:13 PM
Get a better argument, one that's actually valid, and then I won't be so apt to call you on it.

Or perhaps you can call me on it when I'm actually arguing or comparing the two. I don't know why you always have this personal vendetta to nit pick what I say, in whatever thread I say it, even when you don't have a case, like this time. No one else does it, why you? You don't see me doing it to you, I would appreciate the same respect. It's annoying and a waste of time to have to re-state, re-clarify, or explain stuff when it wasn't warranted to be challenged in the first place, especially by you all the time.
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Sir, I will treat your posts with the exact same respect as you give out to myself and others.
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Then you obviously have a warped sense of perspective if you think I'm constantly nit-picking your posts every two seconds. I could, but I don't...because it's a bitch thing to do. You would get pretty tired every two seconds responding to me, and re-stating, re-clarifying, and explaining the situations.
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Jun 8 2006, 10:26 AM
Then you obviously have a warped sense of perspective if you think I'm constantly nit-picking your posts every two seconds. I could, but I don't...because it's a bitch thing to do. You would get pretty tired every two seconds responding to me, and re-stating, re-clarifying, and explaining the situations.

Are you telling me some of your posts aren't intentionally inflammatory, either towards myself or to others? I'm not talking about nit-picking, I'm talking about this general respect issue, which you brought up.
I cite irreconcilable differences.
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:popcorn:

Better than "Lost" --- even better than "Focus on the Miller Family".
The dogma lives loudly within me.
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Jun 8 2006, 02:33 PM
:popcorn:

Better than "Lost" --- even better than "Focus on the Miller Family".

You know, these two would make a lovely married couple, if only it weren't illegal.

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What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket?
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Jun 8 2006, 02:28 PM
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Then you obviously have a warped sense of perspective if you think I'm constantly nit-picking your posts every two seconds. I could, but I don't...because it's a bitch thing to do. You would get pretty tired every two seconds responding to me, and re-stating, re-clarifying, and explaining the situations.

Are you telling me some of your posts aren't intentionally inflammatory, either towards myself or to others? I'm not talking about nit-picking, I'm talking about this general respect issue, which you brought up.

Why do you keep putting words in my mouth? Sure sometimes I bring up a topic or someone's post to get in a good debate with them. But I show and have much respect for many people here (even some of the big libs! ;)), and will try not to "call anyone out" unless necessary.

For example, I thought Jeff's thread title was offensive and rude, so I called him out on it. Just as if he said "Aqua, and others that hate black people", I would call him out. I try to compliment people in PMs, and have even been known to change my opinion or position on certain issues. I try to be fair and respecting, and IF I AM NOT, I expect you or others to call me out on it.

But what you are doing is waiting to pounce on every post I say, sometimes prematurely and incorrect, but it gets old after a while, always have to re-explain things that aren't even relevant to the thread! This thread is a perfect example! I said one thing, and you said "Woah, 89th, no man, you cant compare the two again. Haha, look guys! 89th's modes operandi is in full effect here, he's bringing up incest again, haha, who knew!" when that wasn't even the topic in the first place!!!

Don't you remember the multiple times when you first joined here that we would get in 10-page long threads about something I had to explain to you and we would debate about semantics forever, and I would quote something I said on page 2 multiple times, and you would finally get it on page 10?? That happened at least twice, and since then it's like you hold a grudge. We obviously aren't as pedantic, literal, and disrespectful when we're in the apartment or hanging out...why put on a different face here?
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Because, 89th, all people who live together eventually start nit-picking everything their roommates do because they are around each other too much. Also, neither one of you is probably having enough sex.

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Wise words, Chris! :D
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But what you are doing is waiting to pounce on every post I say,


Every post? Not at all. Go back and check; this only comes up every now and then.

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But I show and have much respect for many people here


Then you and I have very different definitions of the term "respect". This is NOT, according to my definition, respecting somebody:

You, my friend, are a liar and I'm waiting for you to apologize.

You, on the other hand, are either too stubborn or too stupid to know whats good for you.


You have had many other inflammatory posts on here, and so I do not feel the need to cover up my bluntness with you since I know I can expect the same tone from you.

I'm not holding a grudge, and in my estimation I'm not being disrespectful, I'm just being mutual. If you're going to use that kind of rhetoric or tone with others and myself, then you should expect it to be used with yourself, as well.

If you think there is a difference between how I am treating your posts and how you are treating mine and others, then I'm afraid I cannot explain it any further. I could provide other examples, but I don't think that would help me explain it any better.

Look, I'm not trying to cause trouble, and I'm not trying to prove a point here, but since you've been rather brash and abrasive with some of your responses, it should not come as a surprise to you if it's returned.
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Do you remember when you came home last night?

When you walked in the door, the first thing I told you was, "Man, you gotta read the Coffee Room."

You said, "Oh why? Anything big happen?"

I said, "Usually I try to keep away from personal insults, but I told Jeff I was going to sink to his level if he kept saying false things about people, so I called him 'either stubborn or stupid'. Haha"

To which you and I chuckled about, because we know I try hard to stay away from personal insults in here!

You'll be really hard pressed to search this ENTIRE coffee room and find me personally insulting someone seriously, or even majorly disrespecting people. Even Moonbat and I can laugh and hug after a fun debate.

However you seem to wait for any mere glimpse at something I say that might be faulty and jump all over it. It has happened dozens of times, and isn't something I'm doing to you.

All I'm asking is for you to respect my posts as I respect yours.
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That' the thing. I don't think you are at times. If you want me to find examples, I'll show you examples.

And no, I'm not looking for moments to attack what you post. I mean, it's slow here but it's never that slow. However, when I do respond when I disagree (as will often be the case simply because I often disagree), I will use the same tone and rhetoric you have used with myself.
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I think you might officially be "married". :wub:
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That' the thing. I don't think you are at times. If you want me to find examples, I'll show you examples.

And no, I'm not looking for moments to attack what you post. I mean, it's slow here but it's never that slow. However, when I do respond when I disagree (as will often be the case simply because I often disagree), I will use the same tone and rhetoric you have used with myself.


Please show me examples of me using such an unprompted tone and rhetoric with you.
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Jun 8 2006, 11:12 AM
I think you might officially be "married". :wub:

:lol:

I think 89th being in a common law marriage would produce irony so dense, the universe would collapse in on itself in our apartment. (J/k of course)

No, thankfully I think both of us have changed state residence too often for that to even be possible.

I cite irreconcilable differences.
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