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For those in favor of Capital Punishment; What's your opinion on this one?
Topic Started: May 31 2006, 06:09 PM (814 Views)
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Death for Some Sex Offenders OK'd in S.C.

(AP) The South Carolina House on Wednesday passed a pair of bills that would allow prosecutors to seek the death penalty for some repeat child molesters.

Support for the package picked up steam after a man was charged with kidnapping two girls and raping them in a dungeon behind his home earlier this year.

The related measures could send to death row offenders convicted twice of raping a child younger than 11.

One bill was approved earlier by the Senate and now goes to the governor's office, but the second must go back to the Senate for reconsideration.

Opponents accused their fellow House members of casting politically favorable votes during an election year, and questioned whether capital punishment is constitutional for people who haven't killed anyone.

"I'm concerned about the emotional part of this whole issue," said state Rep. Ken Kennedy, a Democrat. "We're getting ready to do something in South Carolina that will cause us a lot of problems down the road."

In March, Kenneth Hinson of Hartsville was accused of kidnapping two 17-year-old girls and confining them in a closet-sized underground chamber. Authorities say the girls were sexually assaulted and left bound inside the room, concealed under a shed, but managed to free themselves and walk to safety.

Hinson, 47, was captured after a four-day manhunt in the woods near his home.

Under the existing law, if convicted Hinson faces a sentence of life without the possibility of parole. He was previously convicted in 1991 of raping an 11-year-old girl. No trial date has been set.

Louisiana, Florida and Montana allow the death penalty for sex crimes.
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I'm not for the death penalty, but these types of cases are right at the top of my "if I were in favor of capital punishment, I'd support it here" list.

First time offense, cut off their balls.

Second time? Labor camps.
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I'm failing to see the problem with this. Why not execute 'em? It's not like they're likely to be rehabilitated in any real way.
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My opinion on this is very clear. Lock 'em up, declare them dangerous offenders, and throw away the key. Keep them in the general prison population, of course. What inmates do to predators like that is far better punishment than anything a lethal injection will do.
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Your cruelty knows no bounds, Dol.
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May 31 2006, 10:38 PM
Your cruelty knows no bounds, Dol.

You'd better believe it. Posted Image

Oh. Wait. You were talking about something else. :whome:
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i'd castrate them - probably wouldn't help individually but it would send a strong message.
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Yes. Yes I was. I can't figure out why someone who deplores the use of capital punishment doesn't have a problem with someone being beaten to death with a broken broomstick as an acceptable alternative.

However, on the other front... Heh heh heh.
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May 31 2006, 10:43 PM
Yes. Yes I was. I can't figure out why someone who deplores the use of capital punishment doesn't have a problem with someone being beaten to death with a broken broomstick as an acceptable alternative.

However, on the other front... Heh heh heh.

This is right up there with my argument that rather than bombing a country into the stone age we should just send in black ops to dispose of the leaders. Just because I don't think the state should be killing people - even for the most heinous of crimes - I'm not against them getting their due punishment. Besides, when you drop them into general population and their beaten to death with a broomstick, it saves lots of time money because the fifteen years of appeals that go with a death sentence just don't happen.
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Oh sure. Perpetuate the brutality of the prison system. Ducky idea, that.

The state shouldn't have any problem delivering a sentence that terminates the life of a convicted criminal that cannot be given a second chance. That's what the government is for. Vigilantism, endorsed or not, is not a favorable characteristic of a functional government.
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As satisfying as killing these animals sounds on some visceral level, it would still be the same shameful ritual carried out at the expense of taxpayers and the people who must participate.

Lock 'em up and throw away the key.

But I have to ask.. why did they make it to where they have to do it TWICE?

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Yeah, but you know my opinion on this. I'm not in favour of the death penalty, but it's not because I want these people put back into society. I like the dangerous offender idea. Do not pass go, do not collect $200. You're in for the rest of your life. Period. And I'm not saying that prison guards should encourage these types of actions, but they DO happen. I just happen to be ok with that. The process of putting someone to death through the legal system is complicated, costly and time consuming. It's not a deterrant, either. It's revenge. So achieve the same end you're looking for - the removal of these people from society - and whatever happens after that is just what happens.
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But I have to ask.. why did they make it to where they have to do it TWICE?


Because the system gives 'em that chance. That's why capital punishment is preferable. It removes all possibility of repeat offense.
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I'm not in favour of the death penalty, but it's not because I want these people put back into society. I like the dangerous offender idea.


I like the idea as well. But it STILL leaves the possibility of a repeat offense. When crimes are so heinous why take the risk?
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I'm not in favour of the death penalty, but it's not because I want these people put back into society. I like the dangerous offender idea.


I like the idea as well. But it STILL leaves the possibility of a repeat offense. When crimes are so heinous why take the risk?

How, exactly, does it leave the possibility of a repeat offence? Last time I looked, they weren't keeping school boys in the prison with these types. No parole. No appeals process once the dangerous offender label is given. Done.
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Ummm... Last I checked even high sec prisons suffered a bit of a escapee issue.

And times and budgets change. Death is quite the static state, wouldn't you agree? 100% effective.
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And the 15 year appeals process that death row inmates go through before they actually get to the chair, the likelyhood of laws changing during that time, and the possibility of a last minute stay of execution (followed by the possibility of eventual release) is totally foolproof?
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Oh, I'm not a huge fan of the whole appeal process either. I'm a bit more draconian by nature. "Oh, you're guilty? Excellent. You're on the next train to oblivion".

But the speed bumps put into place by opponents of the death penalty don't negate the ultimate effectiveness of the sentence once it's applied.
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There is a similar bill under consideration here in Oklahoma. I would be satisfied if these guys were locked up for good. Trouble is, they rarely are. They get released and are exhorted to register as sex offendersw as if that solves any problems. I am not in favor of executing these guys but perhaps there would be no momentum for legislation like this if our courts and prison system did not insist on releasing them. They do, of course, because prison space is in short supply for the really violent criminals and let's not forget the drug offenders.
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Oh, I'm not a huge fan of the whole appeal process either. I'm a bit more draconian by nature. "Oh, you're guilty? Excellent. You're on the next train to oblivion".

But the speed bumps put into place by opponents of the death penalty don't negate the ultimate effectiveness of the sentence once it's applied.

You're right, of course. But I'm a big fan of my solution. It closes the loopholes that you don't like (possibility of release) but gets rid of the ickiness that goes along with the state killing people. Win-win.
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Yeah, but really... What's more violent than a sexual offender?

I personally have a four part plan for dealing with 'em... They end up in four parts. Done.
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*snicker

Why do we continue to debate this one, Rob? We agree in all but the finest points of the argument.

Oh yeah. We both just like to argue.
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But it's those fine points that make the difference between dangerous and dead and dangerous and living in a city near you.
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Three words: General Prison Population. Done.
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Not nearly certain enough for my personal tastes. I prefer to have someone stand over their smoking corpse and take a pulse after a state sanctioned execution rather than let another criminal do a half assed job. Those pukes have already proven they can't be trusted.
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