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| Bush Admin Uses Anti-terror funding for pork | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: May 31 2006, 06:07 PM (1,593 Views) | |
| Jeffrey | May 31 2006, 06:07 PM Post #1 |
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http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/05/31/homeland.grants/index.html |
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| The 89th Key | May 31 2006, 06:11 PM Post #2 |
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I missed where he was spending it on "pork".
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| DivaDeb | May 31 2006, 06:14 PM Post #3 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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| JBryan | May 31 2006, 06:23 PM Post #4 |
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Jeffrey lives in NYC so he gets his panties in a wad any time homeland defense money is spent anywhere else. I mean, who could possibly think a terrorist attack might be attempted in, say, Okahoma City. |
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"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it". Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody. Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore. From The Lion in Winter. | |
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| George K | May 31 2006, 06:27 PM Post #5 |
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Ultimate terrorists attacks: Malvo and Muhammed - snipers in DC. I remember thinking about this when it was happening. Imagine going to a Home Depot with your wife, and she gets shot in the head - IN THE PARKING LOT! Imagine any mall, any school, supermarket, gas station with a sniper taking out people - one at a time. That would shut down a city, just like these two animals did in Washington. |
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| LWpianistin | May 31 2006, 06:32 PM Post #6 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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yeah...that time was not fun. i remember being locked in our school. no outdoor sports, no after school stuff....it was really scary because i knew exactly where some of the shootings took place, and had been to those stores many times... anyway.... i didn't read the whole article (not even half), but what's wrong with NYC and DC not getting as much money? why can't it go to other places? |
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| The 89th Key | May 31 2006, 06:37 PM Post #7 |
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LW, I read the whole article, and it's basically just saying that DC and NYC are getting mad they aren't getting more money. I say, let the experts decide where is best to spend it. If they start building Earthquake Protection Centers in Maryland and cutting the funding from San Fran...then you can get worried. ![]() And yes George, those snipers (literally only a few miles from my home a couple of times) did pull off an "perfect" terrorist attack. Far more terror was spread, and fear expressed during those couple weeks. What a surreal time... |
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| LWpianistin | May 31 2006, 06:41 PM Post #8 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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oooohhhh....ok. well, i agree with you. let the experts decide. |
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| Jeffrey | May 31 2006, 06:43 PM Post #9 |
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Georgia votes for Bush, it gets money. NYC doesn't vote for Bush, it gets shafted. There is nothing in Georgia terrorists have ever heard of. I admit I supported some of Bush's anti-terror policies, such as Gitmo and the Patriot Act, but the cynicism of this administration is making it hard for me to take them seriously even on their alleged strong point. |
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| The 89th Key | May 31 2006, 06:48 PM Post #10 |
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Quite an assumption to make there Jeff, considering your misleading thread title... |
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| LWpianistin | May 31 2006, 06:50 PM Post #11 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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| Larry | May 31 2006, 06:51 PM Post #12 |
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Mmmmmmm, pie!
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Tell that to the people in Atlanta, who live with the busiest international airport in the nation, and who have had more than one brush with terrorists. |
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| JBryan | May 31 2006, 06:54 PM Post #13 |
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"Gets money", "gets shafted", yeah, that's an honest evaluation. :rolleyes:
If you think some part of the country is being protected better than NYC I suggest you move there. Me? I have better things to do than whine about crap like that and I live in another city that had a terrorist attack. I know, send all my homeland security money to protect Jeffrey and I'll try to muddle through somehow. |
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"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it". Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody. Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore. From The Lion in Winter. | |
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| The 89th Key | May 31 2006, 07:06 PM Post #14 |
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Stop agreeing....this doesn't feel right! :lol: |
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| Jeffrey | May 31 2006, 07:08 PM Post #15 |
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Per population, New York was severely underfunded to begin with. This makes it worse. Many publications, including the Economist, have noted the political way this administration has allocated funding. Again, there is no world-historic landmark or financial or political hub Bin Laden has ever heard of in Georgia. |
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| The 89th Key | May 31 2006, 07:11 PM Post #16 |
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You can apologize for your incorrect thread title anytime.
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| LWpianistin | May 31 2006, 07:15 PM Post #17 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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:lol: i know....wait! that means i agree with you again!!!!
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| Rick Zimmer | May 31 2006, 07:15 PM Post #18 |
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Outside of providing funding for the training and equipping of first responders and for stockpiling of medical supplies, etc that may be needed in case of an attack, I don't like the idea of using a formula to divvy up the money. Nor do I like the idea of money flowing to localities with local politicians deciding how this money is to be spent -- they end up using it for pork projects. I would much prefer we identify the various potential targets in the US -- no matter where they are -- and simply pay the money to secure them as much as is reasonably possible. And no, I don't want to see my Federal anti-terrorism money going to fund things like protecting people from serial killers, like the ones in DC. Use other money for that. |
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| Rick Zimmer | May 31 2006, 07:17 PM Post #19 |
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Just more of the blue states being the ones who pay for the Federal welfare that goes to the red states. California and most other blue states face the same issue -- on this and most other federal programs. |
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| JBryan | May 31 2006, 07:40 PM Post #20 |
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Yes, of course, we don't pay taxes we just sponge off of you. Bite me. |
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"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it". Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody. Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore. From The Lion in Winter. | |
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| JBryan | May 31 2006, 07:46 PM Post #21 |
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How well does a per capita formula work with an island of a few square miles that has eight million people. It would seem that there should be more than a per capita analysis in play here for providing security. Indianapolis, for instance, could look like a very soft target given its relative accessability. Population means very little when terror is the objective. |
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"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it". Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody. Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore. From The Lion in Winter. | |
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| Jeffrey | May 31 2006, 08:11 PM Post #22 |
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The point of anti-terror funding is not just to save lives, but also to protect the general health and economy of the nation from a specific type of threat. JB suggests that it is personal safety that is my concern. But obviously if I felt unsafe in NYC I would have left a long time ago. Many more people die each year in car crashes than from terrorism. The point of anti-terror funding is to protect the nation's high-symbolic value targets of world interest, from Muslim terrorists who care about only those sites widely known in their world and that have meaning to them. When Oklahoma was bombed or a serial killer killed people at gas stations in Virginia, the nation did not come to a halt, no UN resolutions were needed, the stock market did not reel with uncertainty, no jobs were lost on a national scale as people stopped traveling. All these things did happen when the WTC and the Pentagon were hit. The point of specific national anti-terror funding is to prevent such general nationwide moral, economic and psychological damage, which can only occur from a few spots in the US, NYC being one of the very few (plus DC, Cali, Chicago, maybe the Texas oil refineries), not just to stop every possible crime. No one in Yemen has ever heard of Georgia or Oklahoma. That's just a fact. As for red state welfare: yes, NYC and California pay much more in taxes to the federal government than we get back in services. Ok and Ga get much more in services than they pay in taxes. NYC subsidizes Ok. It is a form of red state welfare. It bothers JB to think of his state as a welfare recipiant paid by NYC, but it's a fact. This "anti-terror" pork package is one more example of this. |
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| The 89th Key | May 31 2006, 08:13 PM Post #23 |
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Going to apologize yet?
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| Jeffrey | May 31 2006, 08:15 PM Post #24 |
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JB: "Indianapolis, for instance, could look like a very soft target given its relative accessability. Population means very little when terror is the objective. " As Rummy might put it, there are few high-value targets in Indy (other than the nationally watched road race once a year). You seem to be serious in your statement, which means that you have not read any of the Al Quaida targeting manuals that are on the web and elsewhere, nor do you understand their goals and strategies in picking their targets. I suggest you get such knowledge before making such silly comments. |
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| ivorythumper | May 31 2006, 08:19 PM Post #25 |
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Are you certain of this "fact"? As for distribution of resources, if suicide bombers started popping off in Peoria and Pensacola and Pittsburgh, I suspect that you would see general nationwide moral, economic and psychological damage. |
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