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self-mutilation; question for religious people
Topic Started: May 31 2006, 07:02 AM (959 Views)
pianojerome
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Miriam, it is not the penny that changes the person.

It is the person that changes the person.
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LWpianistin
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I know. I wonder if it would affect me, or make me affect myself....
And how are you today?
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pianojerome
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If you really want to change, you'll do it, with or without a penny in your shoe.

If you aren't going to change, then a penny will make not one bit of difference, except to make your foot hurt.
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yeah, i know.
i am changing....have to get up at 7:30 tomorrow, not 11:30 :whome:
And how are you today?
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In the Middle Ages there was a heretical group of fanatic millenialists who went about Europe and indulged in rituals of self flagellation- that often led to group sex.


To save me some time, which group would that be?
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Mister Soak
May 31 2006, 10:41 PM
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In the Middle Ages there was a heretical group of fanatic millenialists who went about Europe and indulged in rituals of self flagellation- that often led to group sex.


To save me some time, which group would that be?

Tsk tsk. None of that out of you, or I'll have to take Matt's stance on the frequency of a certain event. :devilgrin:
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pianojerome
May 31 2006, 04:57 PM
Miriam, it is not the penny that changes the person.

It is the person that changes the person.

Very wisely put, Sam, except in my own belief, I'd have to make a small theological adjustment - it isn't even the person that changes the person, it's God that changes the person first (to make the person even understand that he should change, and actually want to); then, after that initial act on God's part, the person can change.

Gestures like pennies in the shoe that don't make you what you are, they merely remind you what you are. They're not some mystical thing that will assure you from going astray (as I can certainly attest, no matter how much I might feel that pewter cross bumping on my chest). They're just a tactile "nudge" - kind of like having the words of your mother pop into your head just as you're about to do something wrong. ^_^



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May 31 2006, 08:50 PM
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John D'Oh
May 31 2006, 08:24 PM
a number of Conservative MP's in Britain

I thought there was only ONE conservative MP in Britain.

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In the old days, before you were born, British conservatives used to roam the earth, feeding from the poor, grinding their faces into the dirt, and drinking expensive after-shave. Believe it or not, my MP was one Gyles Brandreth, which gives you an idea of the high levels of intellect required to join the august ranks of these now extinct creatures. They were ruled by a madwoman, who dressed all in blue, and would shriek in a manner most horrid if anyone even so much looked at the 'Labour' box on a voting slip. Eventually, she succumbed to Mad Cow disease, and was taken out of office gibbering and drooling, to finally be seen as the agent of evil and despair that she truly was. A Grey Shade, the one they named Major, followed, until it became apparent that his true name was Major-Ballsup, and he was replaced by He Who Shall Not Be Named, may He Reign For Eternity, or at least until the next Rhyll by-election.

I meant ME, ya weirdo!

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May 31 2006, 06:41 PM
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In the Middle Ages there was a heretical group of fanatic millenialists who went about Europe and indulged in rituals of self flagellation- that often led to group sex.


To save me some time, which group would that be?

I had the Beguines and Beghards in mind.

See also Cohn, Norman, Pursuit of the Millenium for a more in depth historical analysis.
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