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| So, Dwain....tell us...any word?; Did our luck help? | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: May 30 2006, 03:48 PM (326 Views) | |
| BeeLady | May 30 2006, 03:48 PM Post #1 |
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Any word on your presentation? Are you in the running for the project? Hope you are well. Haven't seen you around much but I expect that is because you have been busy. We're thinking of you! Hasta luego!
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"My wheel shall sing responsive to my tread, And I will spin so fine, so strong a thread Fate shall not cut it, nor Time's forces break" "Distaff and Spindle: Sonnets by Mary Ashley Townsend" 1895 | |
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| Rick Zimmer | May 30 2006, 04:21 PM Post #2 |
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Fulla-Carp
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And how about thumps big exam in CA? Ya' pass? |
| [size=4]Violence is incompatible with the nature of God and the nature of the soul -- Benedict XVI[/size] | |
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| Dewey | May 30 2006, 04:38 PM Post #3 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Actually, I know that Dwain's not around - he's out of town, but I spoke to him just yesterday about that proposal. He says it's between him & two other firms. Nothing will really be done for at least a year as they try to raise money for the project, but they'll selectg a firm sometime relatively soon, to use their design in their capital campaign efforts. He said he turned everything in & now he just waits. Apparently, the building committee offered each of the three competing firms a small stipend to prepare the various design options and budgets. He said that if he'd actually charged them what he put into the work, the stipend would have covered about a third of it; and then to make matters worse, when he turned in his stuff, he told them to take most of the stipend that they'd have given him, dump it back into their general fund, and to use it as scholarship funds to help send some members of their congregation to work at some orphanage in Honduras. That guy's the worst businessman I've ever met. |
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"By nature, i prefer brevity." - John Calvin, Institutes of the Christian Religion, p. 685. "Never waste your time trying to explain yourself to people who are committed to misunderstanding you." - Anonymous "Oh sure, every once in a while a turd floated by, but other than that it was just fine." - Joe A., 2011 I'll answer your other comments later, but my primary priority for the rest of the evening is to get drunk." - Klaus, 12/31/14 | |
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| BeeLady | May 30 2006, 04:46 PM Post #4 |
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Middle Aged Carp
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Me thinks it is just the opposite.... |
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"My wheel shall sing responsive to my tread, And I will spin so fine, so strong a thread Fate shall not cut it, nor Time's forces break" "Distaff and Spindle: Sonnets by Mary Ashley Townsend" 1895 | |
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| ivorythumper | May 30 2006, 09:00 PM Post #5 |
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I am so adjective that I verb nouns!
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![]() I was one of 67% that get to try again. :angry: I walked out thinking that I competently answered all of their 38 questions -- not stumbling over a single answer -- and found out later that I got such a low score that I couldn't have done much worse by not even showing up. I am still perplexed, but there is no redress or mechanism even for reviewing the panel's evaluation. Oh well... |
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| Rick Zimmer | May 30 2006, 09:40 PM Post #6 |
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Fulla-Carp
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Sounds like most professional exams I know of. They are often prepared to make sure that most fail the first time. It keeps out the competition for existing practitioners because many of those who fail will not return again. It also allows the cream to rise to the top. California is also tough on a lot of these types of exams because of the number of people who want to come here. It is a way of keeping out the riff raff! <g> Is there a way for you to know what the "right" answer was? What you should have included that you did not? Or do you just have to guess? |
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| ivorythumper | May 31 2006, 09:20 AM Post #7 |
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I am so adjective that I verb nouns!
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The California Architect's Exam is entirely blind. The evaluators have no knowledge of whether the applicant is a recent grad or in practice, from CA or applying for reciprocity, is a first time applicant or on her tenth time, etc. It is not, from that POV, protectionistic against out of staters. I have a friend who serves as an evaluator. He told me that the evaluator has no discretion in the evaluation. It is sort of like the old Groucho Marx "Say the secret word" bit. The test is "conversational" -- the applicant is given a sample project (say a hospital design), and then asked question about it regarding building codes, California statutes, planning and zoning, basic structural and seismic, sustainability and energy, aesthetics, etc. The three evaluators ask the questions, and mark the responses. There was not a single question to which I did not give ostensibly exhaustive and reasonably complete answers. There is no mechanism for reviewing the test results to see what what was missed, nor for understanding what would have been considered a competent answer. Since immediately after (on the plane trip home) I reviewed my test materials (a 300 page study manual) and did not find anything that reminded me "OH! I should have said THAT!!!", I am at a complete loss even as what to guess the right answers could have been. |
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| Nina | May 31 2006, 09:29 AM Post #8 |
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Did you remember the $500 "fee"? Seriously, that's too bad. There's nothing more frustrating than not passing and not knowing what you did wrong. Particularly if the grading is subjective. |
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| Dewey | May 31 2006, 10:16 AM Post #9 |
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That's awful, Ivory, sorry to hear it. Your story reminds me of my first registration exam attempt. I passed every section with flying colors, except the building design section. I was just as perplexed as you; I couldn't figure out anything that I'd done wrong - got all the program requirements, no code problems, etc. etc. I finally scheduled a meeting with the then-Executive Director of the Architect Examiners Board to sit down, review my submittal, and tell me where I'd gone wrong/how I could improve for next year's exam (incidentally, a very good guy, who just recently retired and, ironically, just completed the same CLP training I'm doing - he's now pastoring a church in a small town south of here). We sat for about half an hour as he went through the design with a fine-toothed comb: "Yeah, you did that.... did that.... that's right... Hmmm..." Finally, he looked at me and said, "Well, I don't know why they didn't pass you. For what it's worth, it's the best failure I've ever seen." That wasn't much consolation while I waited a year for the exam to roll around again. At least the timing of getting notified I'd passed that fiinal section the second time around was pretty cool. It was sitting in the mailbox when Mrs. Dewey & I got back from our honeymoon. You'll ace it the next time around. |
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"By nature, i prefer brevity." - John Calvin, Institutes of the Christian Religion, p. 685. "Never waste your time trying to explain yourself to people who are committed to misunderstanding you." - Anonymous "Oh sure, every once in a while a turd floated by, but other than that it was just fine." - Joe A., 2011 I'll answer your other comments later, but my primary priority for the rest of the evening is to get drunk." - Klaus, 12/31/14 | |
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| George K | May 31 2006, 10:45 AM Post #10 |
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Is that true in the universities, Rick? I can speak to my professional board where the pass rate for the written part is high, and the oral exam is usually 70% or thereabouts. There is no intention to separate the wheat from the chaff. The assumption is that, if you're sitting before us, you've qualified. We want to make sure that you're safe. Edit: Just searched the American Society of Anesthesiologists web page and found this (for 2003) From 1994 to 1998, the overall pass rate on the ABA written examination varied from 61 percent-71 percent. In 2000, however, along with the lowest number of candidates, the written examination pass rate sunk to a nadir of 46 percent, climbing back to 55 percent in 2001 and then to 62 percent in 2002. Those who passed the written examination experienced similar overall oral examination pass rates to prior years — 70 percent-74 percent for the period between 1997 and 2002 with a consistent pass rate between 79 percent-83 percent for the subset of new American medical graduates. From speaking to colleagues in other fields, the statistics are similar. |
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