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| The Gay Agenda; Freedom for all? | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: May 30 2006, 11:39 AM (3,850 Views) | |
| LadyElton | May 30 2006, 05:59 PM Post #26 |
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Fulla-Carp
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Them faggots and dykes wanna marry just like them niggers and kikes. |
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| kenny | May 30 2006, 06:04 PM Post #27 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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The gay agenda is to end your hatred. |
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| The 89th Key | May 30 2006, 06:24 PM Post #28 |
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Lady, how did you know about my bumper sticker!
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| Rick Zimmer | May 30 2006, 09:49 PM Post #29 |
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Fulla-Carp
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Just wanted to bump this up and repeat my question to Jolly so he sees it the next time he logs on and can answer. |
| [size=4]Violence is incompatible with the nature of God and the nature of the soul -- Benedict XVI[/size] | |
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| xenon | May 30 2006, 11:51 PM Post #30 |
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Senior Carp
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People always tend to get into convoluted symantics in the gay debate. But what it almost always comes down to is Christian values. The overwhelming opposition to gay rights comes from conservative Christians. The bible says so, end of argument. |
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| jon-nyc | May 31 2006, 01:06 AM Post #31 |
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Cheers
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Bernard - that was a great post. |
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| Moonbat | May 31 2006, 01:51 AM Post #32 |
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Pisa-Carp
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Ok... but generally one example is not enough because it might it be a mistake, you need to be able to replicate the data.
Gibbering nonsense. Change does not equal choice, the weather changes i don't choose it, i grow old i don't choose it. I become sick I sure as hell don't choose it. Numerous of my attributes change all without my conscious input. Furthermore the observation that some people who go into these religious wacko clinics to cure their homosexuality come out claiming to be straight does not necessarily indicate they do. It seems plausible to suggest that many of this tiny minority are simply living in denial, as evidenced by the fallout rates, the star convert being found in the gay bar, etc. It just so obvious that we don't choose our sexuality, if you think people do, then that means as Rick and 89th have said that you do too, so tomorrow choose to be gay. Just for one day so that you understand those you seek to keep on a lower societal strata. Choose to feel no attraction to women and attraction to men, choose to feel like inserting your sexual organs into another man. Oh what, you can't do that? |
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| The 89th Key | May 31 2006, 05:16 AM Post #33 |
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Uncontrollable change does not equal choice. But controllable change does equal choice. Granted, it's your opinion whether re-orientation clinics work. I've seen them work, and they do work for those who need it. People can change, or at least they can supress and control certain urges, as we all do, sexually or not. |
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| Jolly | May 31 2006, 06:23 AM Post #34 |
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Geaux Tigers!
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Ah, kenny, therein lies your problem. You equate opposition to your wants, needs or desires as hate. In order to politically overcome, you must demonize in order to engender sympathy. But how can you demonize those who do not hate you, only disagree with your vision of what life in this country should be. Sorry if that has soaked your wheaties. One can easily understand how this is such a hot-button issue for the homosexual community, illustrated by how many pundits we have show up in a gay-based thread, members who are absent more often than not. OTOH, many of them are homsexual, so I would guess these type threads mean much more to them in terms of personal investement. I do believe that the institutionalism of homosexuality has a negative impact upon society, as I do believe it weakens that which we should hold as the most desired element within our society - the one-man, one-woman concept of marriage. Therefore I am pleased to oppose you politically on this matter, and wish you the worst of luck in the advancement of your viewpoint on the issue. |
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| Rick Zimmer | May 31 2006, 06:28 AM Post #35 |
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Fulla-Carp
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Ahhh...there you are Jolly! |
| [size=4]Violence is incompatible with the nature of God and the nature of the soul -- Benedict XVI[/size] | |
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| Jolly | May 31 2006, 06:29 AM Post #36 |
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Geaux Tigers!
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Is a gay man male? Biologically, yes. |
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| Rick Zimmer | May 31 2006, 06:30 AM Post #37 |
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Fulla-Carp
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Are you implying that in other ways he is not male? If so, which ways would that be? |
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| Jolly | May 31 2006, 07:31 AM Post #38 |
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Geaux Tigers!
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I think what you are tip-toeing around is whether homosexuals are pyschologically male. Once again back to the nature/nurture/free will argument, aren't we? |
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| AlbertaCrude | May 31 2006, 07:37 AM Post #39 |
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Bull-Carp
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Help me with this... does that mean then that a homo is psychologically female and should be rendered physically female through surgery to correct the anomaly? |
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| Axtremus | May 31 2006, 07:41 AM Post #40 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Ah... nature/nurture/free will... I offer $50 and one free PW CD to any one who can successfully "nurture" Jolly into a homosexual!
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| Jolly | May 31 2006, 07:43 AM Post #41 |
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Geaux Tigers!
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Are they pyschologically "normal"? |
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| Moonbat | May 31 2006, 07:57 AM Post #42 |
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Pisa-Carp
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Did homosexuals choose to be homosexual or not? And if they did why the hell would they choose it?
People can abstain from sexual acts irrespective of their sexual orientation. Sure you can guilt people into lots of things, but that's not quite the same thing. "They do work for those whose need it" what constitutes 'needing' it? The most obvious mainstream scientific bodies to turn to seem pretty unanimous on the topic:
-from wikipedia |
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| AlbertaCrude | May 31 2006, 08:03 AM Post #43 |
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Bull-Carp
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In all honesty I don't know. Probably, they are *normal* but not necessarily conformist. I do know that a certain percentage of the human population in all cultures seems to have this tendency. Non conformism is a perfectly *normal* tendency in most, if not all, societies. BTW, was there a reason you answered my direct question with another equally direct question? |
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| Rick Zimmer | May 31 2006, 08:34 AM Post #44 |
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Fulla-Carp
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I am not tip toeing around anything. When asked about sexuality, you implied that gay men are not male. You did not use the term normal or anything of that sort. You said "male." Now, if they are not male, are you are arguing they are female? Or are you arguing there are more than two genders for human beings? You implied a very broad statement about gay men. I just want to know what you think a gay man is, if he is not male. ASnd no, I do not see us back to the nature/nurture/ free will argument. I see us as discussing basic definitions, nothing more. |
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| ivorythumper | May 31 2006, 08:43 AM Post #45 |
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I am so adjective that I verb nouns!
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MB: if you are going to be scientific about the matter of homosexuality, it seems you would have to look at contributory factors rather than just assume that is the way things are since in your estimation no one would choose them to be so. I am first reminded of the quote: "The heart has its reasons of which reason knows nothing". (Pascal). Without suggesting that any one person does so for any specific reason, on the purely hypothetical level, there are many possible reasons that a person might adopt a homosexual life style: inability to conduct a successful psychosexual relationship with a person of the other sex, the desire for companionship and pleasure, sexual addiction, self image issues, reaction to family patterns, childhood or adolescent experiences, chemical imbalances, coping mechanisms, emotional distance or lack of healthy bonding with one or both parents, etc. It is said that all revolutions begin in the soul. It is easier to try to change the entire universe into our image and likeness, than to work on whatever brokenness might lie in our hearts and souls. This is not merely a statement about the homosexual revolution, but all human actions. Due to the intensely personal nature of sexuality and self image however it seems to be writ large in the present discussion. |
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| The 89th Key | May 31 2006, 09:42 AM Post #46 |
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Rick, If I may assume what Jolly meant...probably the same thing I said. You (or someone) asked if we CHOSE to be heterosexual, and I said that we chose to be hetero just as much as we chose to be male. Honestly, you are going to debate whether it's the "default/normal" human orientation to be born heterosexual? |
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| Moonbat | May 31 2006, 11:09 AM Post #47 |
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Pisa-Carp
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Normal is mere numbers, default - what the juice is that supposed to mean? |
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| John D'Oh | May 31 2006, 11:18 AM Post #48 |
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What the hell's so great about being normal, anyway? Normal - just like everyone else? Or rather, average, nondescript, typical. No thanks, Mrs Banks. I'm not normal. Some people have gone as far as saying that I'm a bit quirky, a tad odd, maybe even a little queer. I don't mind, in fact I'm quite proud of it. I admit it's a bit of a struggle getting through the day surrounded by all these grey Britney Spears loving, American 'beer' swilling drones, but I manage it. It doesn't mean I have to like it. The drones let me get married at least, so I'm not that queer. |
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| The 89th Key | May 31 2006, 11:22 AM Post #49 |
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I said normal, as in "it's normal to be born with eyesight" or "it's normal to be born with two hands", etc. I know normal is just a numbers term, but in every day use, it means what is normal, expected, etc. As far as default, I used it in the computer application sense. For example, a "default setting" is what is automatically and originally assigned on a computer, and unless something intervenes, that's the way the setting will be. People are born hetereosexual, by default. It's how our bodies are created (penis or vagina), and how we reproduce and survive as a species. Here we go again... :rolleyes: My point is, Rick was asking about when we "chose" to be heterosexual, and I'm saying that we are generally, almost all the time, born heterosexual. Every now and then you'll have someone born (genetic or not) that will be homosexual or even asexual....but normally, and by default, humans are born heterosexual, in the SAME way as humans are born normally, and by default, with two hands. |
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| The 89th Key | May 31 2006, 11:23 AM Post #50 |
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No one is really trying to be normal, John. You and I both have our quirks, our odd hobbies, and unique personalities. But we also both have normal sexual orientation. We don't try to be normal, we just are who we are, and it happens that alot of what we do, think dress, look, and act like is normal, and there's nothing wrong with that. I think those who TRY out of their way to be not-normal on purpose, are the ones with a tough time. Just be yourself, as you and I are, Johnny.
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