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| The Gay Agenda; Freedom for all? | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: May 30 2006, 11:39 AM (3,839 Views) | |
| Jolly | May 30 2006, 11:39 AM Post #1 |
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Gay agenda means less freedom for all By Star Parker The latest Gallup polling on attitudes regarding same-sex marriage shows a trend that should concern conservatives as well as all Americans. From the narrow view of just the same-sex marriage issue, although the majority of Americans are still opposed to legalization, they are a lot less opposed than they were in the a decade ago. From the vantage point of homosexual activists, the trend certainly appears to be their friend. Moreover, given how this debate is formulated and presented, I see a broader message emerging. I get a sense that Americans are increasingly confusing entitlement and political power with freedom and tolerance. This does not bode well for the future of a free and vibrant country. The most recent polling shows that a strong majority of Americans oppose legal recognition of same sex marriage (58 percent) and a slight majority favor a constitutional amendment (50 percent for, 47 percent opposed). The support breaks out consistently along partly lines. Republicans favor the amendment (66 percent for) and Democrats oppose (55 percent against). These results are about the same as they were last year. However, they have changed a lot over the last 10 years. Today 39 percent of Americans support legal recognition of same sex marriage, up from 27 percent 10 years ago and 58 percent oppose, down from 68 percent 10 years ago. Completing the picture of what seems reasonable to call a trend, the area of the population where support for same-sex marriage is strongest and growing is among young people. Time does not seem to favor those who want to preserve tradition. A more qualitative measure of this trend is to just listen to how the debate is cast. A Washington Post editorial opposing the Federal Marriage Amendment accuses Republicans of "picking on gays and lesbians." According to the Post, such an amendment would "discriminate against a class of people." Mary Cheney in her new book equates this alleged discrimination to denial of rights in the past to women and blacks and prohibitions against interracial marriage. So, along with the trend toward increasing acceptance of the idea of same-sex marriage has been the complete obliteration of the idea that homosexuality is a type of behavior as opposed to a state of being. The discussion has long disappeared that this is about attitudes regarding this behavior and it has become almost exclusively cast as discrimination claims against gays and lesbians. Philosophers of science point out that there is nothing we can prove. We can only disprove things. The only thing that it takes to disprove something is to find one incident where the theory doesn't work. We have, for instance, a law of gravity. However, if we find one morning, while someone is eating their bowl of cheerios, that their spoon jumps out of their hand and flies up to the ceiling, we kiss goodbye to our law of gravity. Now there are without question instances where individuals change their sexual behavior. I have never heard of instance of a black person becoming white or vice versa. Yet, somehow we have gotten to the point where it is generally accepted that being gay is a fact and not a choice. The more we obscure where choice lies and the more we obscure where responsibility lies, we become increasingly transformed into a political entitlement society rather than a free and tolerant society. If gay activists really wanted freedom, as opposed to advancing a particular political agenda, they would be hard at work moving government control out of areas of our society that limit their as well as everyone else's freedom. They should be fighting for nationwide school choice, so they can send their children to schools that teach what they want. They should be fighting for private social security accounts and so they could stop complaining about discrimination in survivor benefits. They should fight for private health care accounts and getting corporations out of the benefits providing business and so they could stop complaining about discrimination in benefits toward gay couples. Unfortunately, this is not happening. From what I see, despite the hijacking of the language of freedom, rights, and discrimination, this movement is about sleight of hand and political power. And, more unfortunately, it appears to be succeeding. Particularly among our young people. |
| The main obstacle to a stable and just world order is the United States.- George Soros | |
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| John D'Oh | May 30 2006, 12:18 PM Post #2 |
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This reads a little like - 'if they want freedom, they should protest about things that I don't like, rather than about things that they don't like'. |
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| Jolly | May 30 2006, 12:23 PM Post #3 |
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Ya gotta understand who Star Parker is, and where she came from. If there is an archtypical American success story, Parker is it. Black, female, underprivledged, drug addict. Now college-degreed, successful. It would seem she knows something about struggling... |
| The main obstacle to a stable and just world order is the United States.- George Soros | |
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| John D'Oh | May 30 2006, 12:30 PM Post #4 |
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I should obviously respect her for that. However, she does seem to have some rather rigid views regarding homosexuality.
I believe I should get a bonus score for having the restrain to not mention Janet Jackson's brother.
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| What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket? | |
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| Matt G. | May 30 2006, 12:37 PM Post #5 |
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Star Parker Notable quote: "Anybody that believes in separation of church and state needs to leave right now." |
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| Rick Zimmer | May 30 2006, 12:41 PM Post #6 |
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Why? This is the question the she does not answer. She goes on to tell us what is happening in terms of public opinion, but she never answers why this should be a concern. Her case would be stronger if she had enunciated why this change in public attaitudes and movement to acceptance was a bad thing -- rather than assuming that because she implies it is, it therefore is. |
| [size=4]Violence is incompatible with the nature of God and the nature of the soul -- Benedict XVI[/size] | |
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| Jolly | May 30 2006, 01:02 PM Post #7 |
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To what is an American entitled? That would be the essential question. The next question would be how does gay marriage piggyback upon the Civil Rights movement, which was a legitimate protest of denial of Civil Rights? Because when we expand wants to entitlements to rights, we run the risk of cheapening what rights we do have, if we do not act wisely. |
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| Klaus | May 30 2006, 01:16 PM Post #8 |
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Could somebody explain to me why this makes a difference? |
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| The 89th Key | May 30 2006, 01:22 PM Post #9 |
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Klaus, your avatar is making me hungry!
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| Klaus | May 30 2006, 01:25 PM Post #10 |
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Haha, I am a big fan of sausage on the barbecue, especially Thuringian sausages |
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| The 89th Key | May 30 2006, 01:26 PM Post #11 |
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To distract even more...are you related to Klaus Badelt!?! (composes movie themes, like pirates of the carribean)
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| Bernard | May 30 2006, 01:26 PM Post #12 |
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She's wrong in stating that 'homosexuality is a type of behavior as opposed to a state of being.' B.S. There are many functions of our biological being over which we have no control. Just 2 examples: our heartbeat, women's mentrual cycles. That our heart's beat is not 'behavior'. Star Parker is the one with an agenda! |
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| Jolly | May 30 2006, 01:27 PM Post #13 |
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Because one cannot choose their race, but they can choose their sexual orientation. |
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| Bernard | May 30 2006, 01:27 PM Post #14 |
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10 Reasons Why Gay Marriage is Wrong 01) Being gay is not natural. Real Americans always reject unnatural things like eyeglasses, polyester, and air conditioning. 02) Gay marriage will encourage people to be gay, in the same way that hanging around tall people will make you tall. 03) Legalizing gay marriage will open the door to all kinds of crazy behavior. People may even wish to marry their pets because a dog has legal standing and can sign a marriage contract. 04) Straight marriage has been around a long time and hasn't changed at all; women are still property, blacks still can't marry whites, and divorce is still illegal. 05) Straight marriage will be less meaningful if gay marriage were allowed; the sanctity of Britany Spears' 55-hour just-for-fun marriage would be destroyed. 06) Straight marriages are valid because they produce children. Gay couples, infertile couples, and old people shouldn't be allowed to marry because our orphanages aren't full yet, and the world needs more children. 07) Obviously gay parents will raise gay children, since straight parents only raise straight children. 08) Gay marriage is not supported by religion. In a theocracy like ours, the values of one religion are imposed on the entire country. That's why we have only one religion in America. 09) Children can never succeed without a male and a female role model at home. That's why we as a society expressly forbid single parents to raise children. 10) Gay marriage will change the foundation of society; we could never adapt to new social norms. Just like we haven't adapted to cars, the service-sector economy, or longer life spans. |
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| Bernard | May 30 2006, 01:28 PM Post #15 |
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Pure BULL ****. |
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| Klaus | May 30 2006, 01:31 PM Post #16 |
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No. Is having the same first name usually an indication for being related?
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| The 89th Key | May 30 2006, 01:32 PM Post #17 |
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No, but I had nothing else to go on!
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| Klaus | May 30 2006, 01:34 PM Post #18 |
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But how would it make a difference in how to treat/assess people who are gay / choose to live gay? |
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| The 89th Key | May 30 2006, 01:40 PM Post #19 |
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I think it's about the inherent rights that should be allowed. This is a bad example, but it's like comparing a person born blind to someone who is just covering their eyes. (I told you it was a bad example!) The person born blind has no control, no way to change, etc. |
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| Axtremus | May 30 2006, 01:54 PM Post #20 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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| Jolly | May 30 2006, 01:55 PM Post #21 |
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Or so you say. The riddle me this, Batman....if sexual orientation is purely biological, why do some people start out one way, only to change? If you is, you is. If you ain't, you ain't. |
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| Rick Zimmer | May 30 2006, 01:58 PM Post #22 |
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Who is to say they do? It is more likely they simply accept something they refused to accept before because of the immense problems it causes in one's life. Riddle me this, Batman....if sexuality is a choice, tell me when you chose to be heterosexual (assuming you are) and what the process was by which you evaluated heterosexuality and homosexuality and chose the former. (Did you perhaps try both so you can decide which you enjoyed more?) |
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| The 89th Key | May 30 2006, 02:00 PM Post #23 |
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To quote the kindergarten kid in Kindergarten Cop: "Boys have a penis. Girls have a vagina." Hence, heterosexuals. Heterosexuals choose to be heterosexual just as much as they get to choose whether or not to be born with a penis or vagina. |
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| Jolly | May 30 2006, 02:00 PM Post #24 |
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I didn't decide on anything. I was born male, and here I be. Moving on... Now, consider this...our rights as Americans are based on the notion that we are endowed by our Creator with certain rights that government cannot take away from us. A lot of this boils down as to whether gays are a definable subset of the population, and whether they are being systematically discriminated against. And if they are being discriminated against, is this for the good or ill of the country? 1. I submit that gays do not constitue a defined subset of the population. If you are a male of Vietnamese descent, you are not going to suddenly become a blue-eyed blond Swedish-descent farm girl. Too many times has some guy been sleeping with Earline for 10 years suddenly decides he likes sleeping with Earl better, or vice-versa. The subset is fluid. 2. Are gays systematically being discriminated against? Perhaps the plight of blacks in this country is the epitomy of a group being discriminated against because of race, creed, or color...unless we compare that to the problems of Native Americans. I think the problems of the gay community pale in comparison with the above defined peoples. 3. Lastly, is the remedy for the supposed discrimination worth the change of societal norms? In some areas, I think many of us can agree on some middle ground...things like property distribution, delination of next-of-kin, life insurance beneficiaries. None of these things, however, shriek of embedded discrimination. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. |
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| Rick Zimmer | May 30 2006, 02:15 PM Post #25 |
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Are you saying a gay man is not male? |
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