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really bad move by my local diocese
Topic Started: May 28 2006, 08:45 AM (1,200 Views)
sue
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HOLY CARP!!!
Aqua Letifer
May 30 2006, 01:42 PM
Too pure water killed the fish.

I like that.
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Klaus
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The 89th Key
May 30 2006, 01:01 PM
Klaus, the NT talks about homosexuality, adultery, and other sexually-related items. IMO, it's even more clear and relevant than what is said in the OT.

Can you give me a few references to places in the NT?
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Jolly
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Klaus
May 30 2006, 02:55 PM
I think the whole notion of sin does not make any sense.

Human behavior is not regulated by "commandments" given from above, but by moral standards which are derived from common values that people agree on

At one time, a lot of folks on the European continent thought it perfectly fine to ostracise, disenfranchise and ultimately exterminate people who they found "lacking".

Which is why morals should have a bit more basis than what is commonly popular at the moment.
The main obstacle to a stable and just world order is the United States.- George Soros
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sue
May 30 2006, 05:04 PM
Aqua Letifer
May 30 2006, 01:42 PM
Too pure water killed the fish.

I like that.

Sue, nice sig line! I feel so honored! ^_^

Nice avatar too. ;)

Too pure of water might kill a fish, but too bad a drivers-ed teacher, will teach you to run stop signs. :lol:
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Klaus
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May 30 2006, 01:05 PM
At one time, a lot of folks on the European continent thought it perfectly fine to ostracise, disenfranchise and ultimately exterminate people who they found "lacking".

Which is why morals should have a bit more basis than what is commonly popular at the moment.

If I look at everything that has been done in the name of Christ in the last 2000 years it is obvious to me that the Christian values are also always relative to what people agree on at a particular point in time. They are not absolute either.

To which event on the European continent are you refering? WW2?
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Klaus
May 30 2006, 12:55 PM
I think the whole notion of sin does not make any sense.


Think of it as a religious metaphor for human or material imperfection.
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Klaus
May 30 2006, 05:04 PM
The 89th Key
May 30 2006, 01:01 PM
Klaus, the NT talks about homosexuality, adultery, and other sexually-related items. IMO, it's even more clear and relevant than what is said in the OT.

Can you give me a few references to places in the NT?

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 (NIV): "Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters, nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God."

Romans 1:24-32: 24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet.

Of course the OT:

Leviticus 18:22 (KJV): "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind it is abomination."

Genesis 13:13: "But the men of Sodom were wicked and sinners before the LORD exceedingly." (Sodom is the root word of sodomy, and was a very homosexual town)

Leviticus 20:13: "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."

Is this what you were looking for, Klaus? :shrug:
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Klaus
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Thanks, 89.
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May 30 2006, 05:15 PM
Leviticus 20:13: "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."

Do you think the people who wrote this were classed as 'caring conservatives' back then? They'd have fitted right in in modern day Iran, IMO.

I'm glad God has changed so much in what to Him must seem like a really short period of time.
What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket?
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John, surely you know the world was a different place a couple thousand BC.

And yes, I did call you Shirley.
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