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What It Takes to Get Repubs and Dems To Agree
Topic Started: May 24 2006, 11:10 AM (1,085 Views)
QuirtEvans
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JBryan
May 24 2006, 10:06 PM
If you can break away from your pissing contest long enough to address the points I have made here and in the past beyond an arrogant blow off it might lend more credibility to your "opinion".


Just a thought.

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It was far more than that. Specific citations of current law and Court precedent would, I believe, amount to more than "platitudes and broad references to Executive powers". I would lay it all out for you again but why bother? You will simply ignore it all like the last time and mischaracterize it again like this time at some future date. You, on the other hand, have provided nothing by way of rebuttal nor have you made any attempt at making a case for your "opinion". You simply insist that it is unconstitutional and then proceed to stack the deck by making references to a "Republican Supreme Court" in anticipation of the day when they express their disagreement with your "opinion".


Was this the sort of specifics that you thought I ought to address? Frankly, it seemed like the very sort of "pissing contest" that you're now decrying. Since your arguments are usually more principled and less "pissing contest", and since there's clearly no substance here to respond to, I thought I'd ignore it. If there's a link to your old arguments, please provide it.
It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010.
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JBryan
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The only point I was making here was that you have never provided any sort of argument in support of your contention that the NSA program was unconstitutional. You still have not.

As far as the arguments I have made as well as those of others which I have posted:

http://s10.invisionfree.com/The_New_Coffee...?showtopic=5529

http://s10.invisionfree.com/The_New_Coffee...?showtopic=5646

http://s10.invisionfree.com/The_New_Coffee...?showtopic=5695

I don't expect you to do any better now than you did before.
"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne


There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it".


Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody.

Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore.

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QuirtEvans
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I don't expect you to do any better now than you did before.


I'll go back when I have time. I did expect you to be a little less snarky, but I can live with the disappointment.

It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010.
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I guess some people just elicit it.
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QuirtEvans
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That must be why I'm so snarky with you, IT.
It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010.
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QuirtEvans
May 25 2006, 08:42 AM
That must be why I'm so snarky with you, IT.

But you're the only one, so that can't be it! :lol:
The dogma lives loudly within me.
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QuirtEvans
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In case you haven't noticed (and I'm sure you haven't), there are far more people with a propensity for snarkiness around here who find themselves on the right hand side of the aisle.
It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010.
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QuirtEvans
May 25 2006, 09:04 AM
In case you haven't noticed (and I'm sure you haven't), there are far more people with a propensity for snarkiness around here who find themselves on the right hand side of the aisle.

Of course, its the liberal crusader/victim being picked on by all the conservative bullies. :lol:
The dogma lives loudly within me.
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QuirtEvans
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Nope, I can take care of myself against bullies. Always have, always will.

And, in case you haven't noticed (again, you haven't, because your powers of self-perception are remarkably dim), you get awfully snarky with Rick, too.
It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010.
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QuirtEvans
May 25 2006, 09:48 AM
Nope, I can take care of myself against bullies. Always have, always will.

And, in case you haven't noticed (again, you haven't, because your powers of self-perception are remarkably dim), you get awfully snarky with Rick, too.

Rick and I have our own relationship, thank you very much. He is a capable and congenial interlocutor.

Even when we vehemently disagree and get frustrated with each other, we remain civil, since neither of us are alpha males with narcissistic personality disorders.
The dogma lives loudly within me.
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Ivorythumber, you have got to be the biggest wad in this room.
Just like a bitch too, always has to have the last word.
You impress noone with your big haughty vocabulary.
I picture you standing in the mirror, admiring yourself as you babble on about this and that.
Where does the little lady sleep anyways? For she certainly couldn't fit in the same bed with you and your EGO.
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QuirtEvans
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He remains civil, you do not, Dr. Freud.

Glad to hear that you're brushing up on your psychological credentials. Care to post them? Was your degree in psychology?

Or are you just a blowhard?

Smart money is on the latter.
It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010.
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May 25 2006, 10:00 AM
Ivorythumber, you have got to be the biggest wad in this room.
Just like a bitch too, always has to have the last word.
You impress noone with your big haughty vocabulary.
I picture you standing in the mirror, admiring yourself as you babble on about this and that.
Where does the little lady sleep anyways? For she certainly couldn't fit in the same bed with you and your EGO.

Thank you for that reader response criticism. Who's sock are you?
The dogma lives loudly within me.
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JBryan
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QuirtEvans
May 25 2006, 10:38 AM
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I don't expect you to do any better now than you did before.


I'll go back when I have time. I did expect you to be a little less snarky, but I can live with the disappointment.

I suppose the insistence that all I have ever presented was "platitudes and broad references to Executive powers" brings that out in me.
"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne


There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it".


Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody.

Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore.

From The Lion in Winter.
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Jolly
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May 25 2006, 11:00 AM
Ivorythumber, you have got to be the biggest wad in this room.
Just like a bitch too, always has to have the last word.
You impress noone with your big haughty vocabulary.
I picture you standing in the mirror, admiring yourself as you babble on about this and that.
Where does the little lady sleep anyways? For she certainly couldn't fit in the same bed with you and your EGO.

Goodbye.

You are the weakest link! :wave2:
The main obstacle to a stable and just world order is the United States.- George Soros
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ivorythumper
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QuirtEvans
May 25 2006, 10:01 AM
He remains civil, you do not, Dr. Freud.

Glad to hear that you're brushing up on your psychological credentials. Care to post them? Was your degree in psychology?

Or are you just a blowhard?

Smart money is on the latter.

Once again, you have to make it personal. It doesn't require any advanced degree to see a narcissist in operation, Quirt.

You really do need to chill and realize that this is just an internet chat room. It really is just banter, and the only thing that is at stake in terms of your ego gratification is what you put on the line.

The world will not mirror your ego to you Quirt, but you seem to always desire that and so you seem to get pretty angry when it doesn't.

I am not a qualified psychotherapist, I only had one post graduate course in rational psychology, so the only advice I can give you is to get some professional help.
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QuirtEvans
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I think that was in response to your claim that the analysis of the deficiencies of the program are merely platitudes and a waving around of the Fourth Amendment. But never mind.
It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010.
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QuirtEvans
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JBryan
May 24 2006, 04:05 PM
The courts have not ruled on this specific case but an excellent case can be (and has been) made that it is both legal and Constitutional. I await anything beyond platitudes and broad references to the Fourth Amendment to indicate the contrary.

This was the impetus for my language.
It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010.
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JBryan
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And I stand by it. So far that is all I have seen. To attempt to turn that around on me is silly in light of what I have actually brought to this debate.
"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne


There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it".


Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody.

Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore.

From The Lion in Winter.
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QuirtEvans
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No, if you're going to use nasty language, you should be prepared to have nasty language thrown back at you.

You could have said the same thing without being insulting. In fact, you frequently do, so I know that you (unlike some others around here) know how.
It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010.
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May 25 2006, 01:00 PM
Ivorythumber, you have got to be the biggest wad in this room.
Just like a bitch too, always has to have the last word.
You impress noone with your big haughty vocabulary.
I picture you standing in the mirror, admiring yourself as you babble on about this and that.
Where does the little lady sleep anyways? For she certainly couldn't fit in the same bed with you and your EGO.

Poor conhater is threatened by Ivory's IQ. :lol:
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QuirtEvans
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Once again, you have to make it personal.


Yet again, IT is yelping about personal attacks, after he said this:

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neither of us are alpha males with narcissistic personality disorders.


As usual, IT gets viciously personal in his attacks, I respond, and he whines about it. It's an old song, repeated many times across a variety of threads. He tries to behave like a bully, I slap him back in the face, and he starts crying about personal attacks.

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I am not a qualified psychotherapist, I only had one post graduate course in rational psychology, so the only advice I can give you is to get some professional help.


I know what that advice is worth.
It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010.
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JBryan
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QuirtEvans
May 25 2006, 12:34 PM
No, if you're going to use nasty language, you should be prepared to have nasty language thrown back at you.

You could have said the same thing without being insulting. In fact, you frequently do, so I know that you (unlike some others around here) know how.

That is "nasty language" to you? I'm sorry but it is nothing more than a fairly accurate representation of the truth to me. Turned back on me, on the other hand, it is simply irritating given how little real argumentation I have been able to extract from the other side of this debate.
"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne


There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it".


Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody.

Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore.

From The Lion in Winter.
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ivorythumper
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He shouldn't be. I am perhaps the nicest and most humble guy here.

(Well, except for Big Al who REALLY is!)
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I am perhaps the nicest and most humble guy here.


Thanks for a great laugh. The people on my conference call were wondering what I was chuckling about.
It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010.
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