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John McCain -- The Political Whore
Topic Started: May 14 2006, 02:30 PM (711 Views)
QuirtEvans
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A man walks up to a woman in a bar.

"Will you have sex with me for $1,000,000?" he asks.

She thinks long and hard. Finally she says yes.

"Will you have sex with me for $100?" he then asks.

"What sort of a woman do you take me for?" she protests.

"We already know what sort of a woman you are. Now we are just haggling over the price."


You have to source your jokes better, Rick. That one is generally attributed to George Bernard Shaw at a cocktail party.
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Mikhailoh
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Steve Miller
May 14 2006, 05:17 PM
Mikhailoh
May 14 2006, 06:10 PM
the evangelical bloc

Over and over, the Evangelicals on this board tell us that Falwell does not represent their interests. McCain appears to think otherwise.

Steve, you take one word used for convenience to describe a group, and try to use it as some sort of logical argument? Please.

But how much commonality do they have? AIDS is God's curse on the promiscuous? Hurricaine Katrina is God's curse on New Orleans for hosting Mardis Gras? Do they agree on that? Of course not - it's absurd.

Not all Christians nor Liberty students espouse that philosophy. Every candidate ever has appeared before groups that did not necessarily reflect their views. It would be very difficult to be elected if only those who were 100% with you voted for you.


So why, exactly, is he there?

Testing the waters for 08 I suppose. Why do YOU think he's there? Whoever wants to be president has to be president to everybody.. not just his favorite constituents

Ok...
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QuirtEvans
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Whoever wants to be president has to be president to everybody.. not just his favorite constituents


You couldn't prove that by the last five years.
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May 15 2006, 08:20 AM
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Whoever wants to be president has to be president to everybody.. not just his favorite constituents


You couldn't prove that by the last five years.

I think that statement confuses 'President' with 'King'. Quite a lot of presidents make that mistake, as well.

At least you know where you are with a King.
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Mikhailoh
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Take a look at the record on Bush's accomplishments. I know some of these will be controversial, but I think a widespread perception is that nothing has happened outside foreign policy during the Bush years. Untrue.

This is an admittedly biased website, but if you look for the truth behind it the record is a lot better for all Americans than you might have thought.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1096125/posts
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May 15 2006, 08:49 AM
Take a look at the record on Bush's accomplishments. I know some of these will be controversial, but I think a widespread perception is that nothing has happened outside foreign policy during the Bush years. Untrue.

This is an admittedly biased website, but if you look for the truth behind it the record is a lot better for all Americans than you might have thought.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1096125/posts

It doesn't mention how he nearly choked to death on a pretzel and fell off a Segway.

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Changed the tone in the White House, restoring HONOR and DIGNITY to the presidency. 2. Has reintroduced the mention of God and faith into public discourse. 3. Handled himself with enormous courage, dignity, grace, determination, and leadership in the aftermath of the September 11, 2001 hijackings and anthrax attacks. He almost single-handedly held this country together during those searing days:


I think that takes 'admittedly biased' to whole new levels. Almost single-handedly? What's that mean?

In one of the responses it says:

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He is looing out for my childrens education.


They got that bang on the money. :lol:
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Those of us who follow such things (or watch The Daily Show! :wink: ) have known for a few weeks that McCain was going to do this. I have said little about it waiting to see what McCain said.

You see, a man of principles could have used this as an opportunity to engage the GOP in a debate on which way it wishes to go -- towards American principles or Falwell principles. Or, at the very least, used it to explain his views to an audience not expected to accept them. Given his self-proclaimed image of honesty and courage in the political marketplace, I gave McCain the benefit of the doubt, thinking that perhaps he really was what he said he was.

Unfortunately, my hopes were for naught.

McCain is considered to be one of the front-runners for the GOP nomination in 2008 (although GeorgeK may be right, he is ill and will not make the run). If McCain, a major spokeperson for a more sane GOP focused on fiscal conservatism rather than social conservatism has thrown in the towel on the debate between the two wings of the party, I think we know how strong the strangle hold is that the Bible Belters have on the GOP -- a party which once proudly espoused individual rights and fought the incursion of government into people's lives.

A sad legacy of the Bush Administration.
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Given your definition of a man of principle you must feel a lot like Diogenes.
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Larry
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I hate to be the one to break this to you Rick, but Falwell's principles are a lot closer to America's in general than your's, even on your best day. You're too far off the ranch to even attempt to sort this all out.

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May 15 2006, 10:17 AM
I hate to be the one to break this to you Rick, but Falwell's principles are a lot closer to America's in general than your's, even on your best day. You're too far off the ranch to even attempt to sort this all out.

Jerry Falwell is a dreadful human being, in my oh-so-humble opinion. I don't feel that way about Rick even if I don't agree with him on a lot of stuff.
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Politicians are politicians.

Why be outraged when a cat acts like a cat, and not a dog.

Some of y'all would complain if you were hung with a new rope....
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May 14 2006, 02:58 PM
I lost respect for McCain when he led the drive to oppose torture of terrorists in custody, even though that would save innocent lives. This was a vote getter among people who don't think through the real issues, and he jumped on it rather than display leadership. His actions do not surprise me at all.

If you ever get into the business of creating campaign slogans, I'd be dying to hear some of the ones you come up with.
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May 15 2006, 08:17 AM
Politicians are politicians.

Why be outraged when a cat acts like a cat, and not a dog.

Some of y'all would complain if you were hung with a new rope....

Lincoln said all kinds of god-awful stuff - trying to get himself elected - and trying to protect the union.

He was abhored by significant portion of the nation - even by the people who elected him for most of his tenure in office. His judgment was seen as poor, his image before the nation...weak. He thought he had no chance whatsoever of being re-elected - and most people agreed - were it not for a couple of Union victories, it probably would not have happened.

All of which is to say, that this kind of thing has been going on a long time. A depressed man who suffered two breakdowns in his life, Lincoln would never be elected today - but the idea of reaching out to people who you may not philosophically agree with - is a pretty old concept. It happens.
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May 14 2006, 03:54 PM

The other thing that strikes me is that his speech has changed in the last few years. Watch how he opens his mouth (or doesn't) when he speaks. He almost speaks through clenched teeth. That's new in the last 4-5 years. The tumor has affected his ability to open his mouth and will eventually cause him to require a 1) tracheostomy and 2) feeding tube. It's a horrible disease, and head and neck cancers are the worst. I have great sympathy for his condition.

I first met McCain 20 years ago -- he spoke through somewhat clenched teeth then. I suspect that its the long term effect of the VC breaking his face. He still has limited mobility in his arms and shoulders and neck.
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Jeffrey
May 14 2006, 03:58 PM
I lost respect for McCain when he led the drive to oppose torture of terrorists in custody, even though that would save innocent lives. This was a vote getter among people who don't think through the real issues, and he jumped on it rather than display leadership. His actions do not surprise me at all.

If you have been through what McCain has on the receiving end of torture -- the effects and scars are still visible today -- please do share.

I do not agree with McCain on a total ban on torture either, but his position on this particular topic does not diminish my respect for him.
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May 15 2006, 01:41 PM

I do not agree with McCain on a total ban on torture either, but his position on this particular topic does not diminish my respect for him.

On this particular issue he's due a great deal of respect, and leeway. In addition, I think to dismiss supporting a ban on torture as simplistic, and only pandering to those of us who are incapable of seeing the big picture could be seen as more than a little patronising.
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Rick: do you think that a US Senator, let alone a potential presidential candidate, should not be addressing all significant sectors of the American polity?

Do only people who agree with your positions deserve a role in the American political process?

It often seems that the liberals are indeed the most intolerant among us.
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