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| John McCain -- The Political Whore | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: May 14 2006, 02:30 PM (712 Views) | |
| Rick Zimmer | May 14 2006, 02:30 PM Post #1 |
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Fulla-Carp
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After spending so many years trying to prove himself as some sort of independent thinker, John McCain has shown himself to be the political whore he obviously is -- he will sell his supposedly values for votes just like everyone else. This is not really a surprise, given other things he has done. But this is the clearest example yet that his values have no more importance to him than a few notches in the poll. And so, he very publicly kisses Jerry Falwell's ass... From the Christian Science Monitor: McCain earns goodwill with evangelicals Sen. John McCain's address at Liberty University Saturday may help improve his standing with religious conservatives. By Linda Feldmann Sarah Smith and Bryan Northup, both recent graduates of Liberty University, were surprised when the Rev. Jerry Falwell invited Sen. John McCain ® of Arizona to deliver the commencement address at their alma mater last Saturday. After all, Senator McCain has not exactly been viewed as a friend of Christian evangelicals, especially since he tagged the Reverend Falwell - Liberty's founder and president - and a few others as "agents of intolerance" who were "corrupting influences" in American politics during the 2000 presidential campaign. But as the 2008 race gears up, with McCain a likely competitor, it's a new day - at least for some. Falwell and McCain have patched up their relationship. And if the reaction of a sample of attendees is any guide, McCain may have done himself some good at this campus nestled in the rolling hills of Lynchburg, Va. "He's a man of action," says Mr. Northup, an '05 graduate who works for the IRS. Ms. Smith, who graduated in '04 and is now a law student here, appreciated McCain's focus on the Iraq war in his address - a war that he has strongly supported from the start. "I see we have common ground in our patriotism," she says. "He didn't get into religion or abortion; it was smart to avoid hot topics." Not that McCain favors abortion rights. As a senator, he consistently votes the antiabortion-rights position, but is not a vocal advocate. He also differs in approach in his opposition to gay marriage: While Falwell and other conservative leaders favor a constitutional amendment defining marriage as man-woman, McCain takes the federalist position - leave it up to the states. In other interviews after the commencement, it was clear that McCain remains an uncertain figure among some voters. "I only knew that he's a senator," says Aubrey Tindle, a Democrat from Los Angeles who came to watch his son graduate. "I didn't know that he was a POW or that he did a tour in 'Nam." To others here, McCain has a strong image - but not for conservatism, even though he usually votes for President Bush's position. "He's not considered the most conservative of Republicans," says Dan Preusser, who just got a degree in athletic training from Liberty. "I've always respected him as a politician, especially on fiscal matters," says Gary Entrekin, a police officer from Gainesville, Ga., here for a relative's graduation. "But he's not a friend of social conservatives." Still, he adds, "the crowd was civil - more receptive to him than I expected." The Arizona senator took the stage at Liberty's basketball arena alongside Falwell, who said "the ilk of John McCain is very scarce, very small." McCain's 27-minute address began and ended with a standing ovation and was interrupted by applause three times, including the moment when McCain called the genocide in the Darfur region of Sudan, "a cause worth taking up arms against." There was laughter at McCain's self- deprecating humor over his "passion for self-expression" as a young man - recalling that "I was so much more eloquent, well-informed, and wiser than anyone else I knew." McCain did not refer directly to his clashes with religious conservative leaders during the 2000 primaries, but did note that "ours is a noisy, contentious society" and that the "passion for self-expression sometimes overwhelms our civility." His discussion of the Iraq war, and the profound disagreements within American society that it has triggered, almost seemed to be aimed more at other campus audiences he will address this week in New York City - both Columbia College's"Class Day" on Tuesday and the graduates of The New School on Friday. At both schools, there have been protests over McCain's coming appearances. The senator will reportedly deliver the same speech that he gave at Liberty University to those schools, and to Ohio State University in June. Speaking on the war at Liberty, McCain declared that "my patriotism and my conscience required me to support it and to engage in the debate over whether and how to fight it. "I stand that ground because I believed, rightly or wrongly, that my country's interests and values required it," he said. Repeatedly, he defended the rights of those who disagree with him to express their views, as a reflection of the freedoms American soldiers are fighting to protect. "Americans should argue about this war," he asserted, acknowledging the toll it has taken in lives and in financial cost. Even if McCain made some headway in explaining himself to an audience that represents a core element of the Republican electorate, it is still too soon to say how the Arizona senator might fare once the race for the GOP nomination begins in earnest. Much depends on who runs. When asked whom they would like to see run in '08, Sarah Smith and Bryan Northup did not hesitate: Sen. George Allen ® of Virginia. "Jeb Bush would be good, too," adds Smith, referring to the president's brother. "President Bush himself said so the other day." |
| [size=4]Violence is incompatible with the nature of God and the nature of the soul -- Benedict XVI[/size] | |
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| George K | May 14 2006, 02:33 PM Post #2 |
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Rick, For once, you and I agree on something political. 100% ![]() Edit: Just wanted to add that because he's a successful politician, he is, by definition, a whore. |
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A guide to GKSR: Click "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08 Nothing is as effective as homeopathy. I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles. - Klaus, 4/29/18 | |
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| QuirtEvans | May 14 2006, 02:37 PM Post #3 |
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I Owe It All To John D'Oh
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I've lost a lot of respect for McCain over the last few weeks. Unfortunately. A few weeks ago, he would have been my preferred candidate in 2008. Now, I don't know. |
| It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010. | |
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| George K | May 14 2006, 02:39 PM Post #4 |
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I've posted elsewhere that I'd be really surprised if McCain runs for President. His health is not good, he knows it, and I doubt that he would survive two terms as President - in other words, another 10 years. |
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A guide to GKSR: Click "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08 Nothing is as effective as homeopathy. I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles. - Klaus, 4/29/18 | |
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| QuirtEvans | May 14 2006, 02:43 PM Post #5 |
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I Owe It All To John D'Oh
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You've said that, George, but he looks pretty damn healthy in some recent pictures. |
| It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010. | |
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| George K | May 14 2006, 02:54 PM Post #6 |
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He has a malignant melanoma of the left cheek. He has had surgery on it at least twice that I'm aware of. It has recurred, and is obvious if you look at any recent photo/video of him. The other thing that strikes me is that his speech has changed in the last few years. Watch how he opens his mouth (or doesn't) when he speaks. He almost speaks through clenched teeth. That's new in the last 4-5 years. The tumor has affected his ability to open his mouth and will eventually cause him to require a 1) tracheostomy and 2) feeding tube. It's a horrible disease, and head and neck cancers are the worst. I have great sympathy for his condition. Here's a photo taken last December. The tumor is obvious: ![]() He's not a stupid man, and he knows the score. I'm sure that his knowledge plays into his political posture as well. |
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A guide to GKSR: Click "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08 Nothing is as effective as homeopathy. I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles. - Klaus, 4/29/18 | |
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| Jeffrey | May 14 2006, 02:58 PM Post #7 |
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Senior Carp
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I lost respect for McCain when he led the drive to oppose torture of terrorists in custody, even though that would save innocent lives. This was a vote getter among people who don't think through the real issues, and he jumped on it rather than display leadership. His actions do not surprise me at all. |
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| Mikhailoh | May 14 2006, 03:10 PM Post #8 |
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Y'all are very, very quick to forget the hardships that McCain endured in the service, and the heroism he displayed while a POW in Vietnam. Very quick. You may not like his politics or politics in general, but to use the term whore on this man is an insult he does not deserve and has earned the right to not endure. You owe the man an apology. |
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Once in his life, every man is entitled to fall madly in love with a gorgeous redhead - Lucille Ball | |
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| George K | May 14 2006, 03:22 PM Post #9 |
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Mik, I have nothing but the greatest respect and gratitude for what the man did in his youth, and in his service as a senator. However, in the last few years, he seems to have his political finger in the air, trying to see which way the wind is blowing, thus giving him purchase with whatever bloc he is affiliating at the moment. Could I have done what he did? Probably not. Could I go on knowing what he probably knows? Definitely not. But, just like John Glenn before him, he has become a politician - with all of the foibles and weaknesses associated with that profession. You're probably right, "whore" is too strong a word. "Politician" is perhaps more appropriate. |
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A guide to GKSR: Click "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08 Nothing is as effective as homeopathy. I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles. - Klaus, 4/29/18 | |
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| Mikhailoh | May 14 2006, 03:29 PM Post #10 |
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If you want trouble, find yourself a redhead
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George, John McCain is not my pick for next president. But that said, he is in no way responsible for the state of politics in America today. On the contrary, he has done a lot to try to improve it. But he is not immune to political reality. He is also not deserving of derogatory labels simply by virtue of the fact that he participates. There are honorable people in politics, probably a lot more than we know. |
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| George K | May 14 2006, 03:35 PM Post #11 |
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Fair enough. |
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A guide to GKSR: Click "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08 Nothing is as effective as homeopathy. I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles. - Klaus, 4/29/18 | |
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| JBryan | May 14 2006, 04:04 PM Post #12 |
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I am the grey one
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I have been saying this about this guy for years. Now that your ox is gored you begin to see the light. |
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"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it". Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody. Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore. From The Lion in Winter. | |
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| QuirtEvans | May 14 2006, 04:31 PM Post #13 |
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I Owe It All To John D'Oh
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I never called him a whore. And it is possible to respect his military service without respecting his current politics. Who knows, I still might vote for him. But it's not as clear to me as it was a few weeks ago. |
| It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010. | |
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| John D'Oh | May 14 2006, 04:33 PM Post #14 |
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MAMIL
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Since when did having a good war record make you immune from criticism, or for that matter from being a political whore? Godwin's law restrains me from going any further. |
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| justme | May 14 2006, 04:46 PM Post #15 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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This is true. All we have to do is thing of Goering. FWIW, I'm disappointed in McCain. I think I would've voted for him. He seemed more in the middle than to the far right which is where I am. But now this rather changes things. |
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"Men sway more towards hussies." G-D3 | |
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| JBryan | May 14 2006, 04:49 PM Post #16 |
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I am the grey one
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If you think he is in the far right wait until next week. Then it will be Liberals talking about what a stand up guy he is and Conservatives calling him a whore. |
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"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it". Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody. Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore. From The Lion in Winter. | |
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| Mikhailoh | May 14 2006, 05:10 PM Post #17 |
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Ok, so let's take this a little further. I take it the concensus is that McCain, should he be eyeing the White House in 08, should not court the evangelical bloc, voters he would likely need to succeed? Why? What principle should he run on that will galvanize all Americans? Voters don't get the luxury of voting for the candidate they think is perfect in all respects. They take the best of two, or occasionally three. It is imperfect, and will always lead to accommodation and compromise. Quirt, I did not mean to imply that you were zpplying that term to McCain. I was speaking to those who had. No offense meant. |
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| Steve Miller | May 14 2006, 05:17 PM Post #18 |
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Bull-Carp
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Over and over, the Evangelicals on this board tell us that Falwell does not represent their interests. McCain appears to think otherwise. But how much commonality do they have? AIDS is God's curse on the promiscuous? Hurricaine Katrina is God's curse on New Orleans for hosting Mardis Gras? Do they agree on that? Of course not - it's absurd. So why, exactly, is he there? |
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Wag more Bark less | |
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| John D'Oh | May 14 2006, 05:21 PM Post #19 |
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MAMIL
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But a Democrat who is indistuingishable from a conservative one week, and then indistinguishable from a liberal the next week is a little hard to pin down, or, dare I say, trust. Just take a look at the rather unpopular bloke currently attempting to run the United Kingdom if you don't believe me. In his defence I guess he kept the Great British public guessing for an awfully long time before they finally figured out what he was up to. |
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| Jack Frost | May 14 2006, 05:25 PM Post #20 |
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Bull-Carp
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I used to respect him.... jf |
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| apple | May 14 2006, 06:20 PM Post #21 |
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one of the angels
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so much for uniting the country |
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| Bernard | May 14 2006, 07:22 PM Post #22 |
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Senior Carp
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I'm disappointed. But you know McCain isn't the only one. Look at Guiliani! He's doing the same thing. This week it was announced that Rupert Murdoch has 'agreed' to hold a fundraiser for Hillary Clinton. All three of them are now outside my sights. (Not that Guiliani ever was in range to begin with.) |
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| Rick Zimmer | May 14 2006, 07:59 PM Post #23 |
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Fulla-Carp
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A man walks up to a woman in a bar. "Will you have sex with me for $1,000,000?" he asks. She thinks long and hard. Finally she says yes. "Will you have sex with me for $100?" he then asks. "What sort of a woman do you take me for?" she protests. "We already know what sort of a woman you are. Now we are just haggling over the price." -------------------------------- I dont really care if John McCain spoke at Liberty University. I just don't like someone like McCain pretending to be virtuous and expressing outrage over what the extremist Christian right is doing, and then, when he sees a chance for votes, choosing to give Fallwell a level of dignity and credibility he does not deserve and turning his back on all he has supposedly stood for. Now we know what sort of politician John McCain really is. (And Mik -- perhaps it is because of his war record that this is even more hypocritical than might otherwise be acceptable.)
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| Larry | May 14 2006, 08:06 PM Post #24 |
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Mmmmmmm, pie!
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Rick, what was it you said to me several weeks ago when you didn't approve of me speaking harshly about the 5 military men who came out against Rumsfeld? Hmmmm? So - may I now assume that you wouldn't have a problem with me calling them some sort of whore? Or are you being a hypocrite again? |
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| Mikhailoh | May 15 2006, 03:31 AM Post #25 |
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Gee.. and I guess Hillary Clinton being for our guys in Iraq (anyone remember the eye-rolling Hillary as Bush spoke after 9/11?), and talking about what a swell guy W is and adoptring every middle of the road conservative position she can to be more palatable is simply a savvy woman on the road to victory. |
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