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| Politics and Religious-Freakery; make strange bedfellows | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: May 12 2006, 05:23 PM (205 Views) | |
| jon-nyc | May 12 2006, 05:23 PM Post #1 |
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An Anti-zionist rabbi makes common cause with Hamas. A minister, anti-Zionist Austrian rabbi herald 'joint coalition' By The Associated Press STOCKHOLM, Sweden - Palestinian Authority Refugee Minister Atef Adwan and Austrian orthodox rabbi Moishe Arye Friedman pledged Friday to work to build ties between Hamas and anti-Zionist Jews. Adwan, of Hamas, and Friedman told The Associated Press their meeting in the Swedish capital heralded a "joint coalition" between their groups. Adwan also said the two hoped their meeting would lead to plans for humanitarian aid to flow from Friedman's congregation in Vienna to the West Bank. Friedman flew to Stockholm from Vienna on Thursday to meet Adwan, who has been on a weeklong visit to Sweden, attending a conference on Palestinian refugees and meeting Swedish lawmakers. Friedman said his congregation would "do everything in practical terms to help the Palestinian people," including sending money and food to the West Bank. "We will support them in ways that others have failed to do," Friedman said, but declined to give details. Friedman is chief rabbi for hundreds of anti-Zionist orthodox Jews in Vienna but is shunned by Austria's 7,000-member Israelite Religious Community because of views that are repudiated by most Jews and also, in some cases, embraced by far-rightists. Friedman also denies Israel's right to exist and has said Zionist Jews share the blame for the Holocaust, which he sees as punishment for straying from God's path. Hamas - listed as a terrorist organization by both the United States and European Union - took power five weeks ago following a surprise election victory. Its government is financially crippled because of an international boycott, threatening to leave much of the Palestinian population without aid. While few Jews share Friedman's views, Adwan said he hoped the meeting would "send a message ... that we can in fact live with each other. That [Jews] can accept the Palestinians as their mates, as their friends and as their neighbors, and we will accept them as the same." Israel has harshly criticized Sweden for granting Adwan a visa, saying it helped legitimize Hamas. Friedman also announced plans for a conference of more than 100 Muslim, Jewish and Christian religious leaders in Vienna in June, during the week that U.S. President George W. Bush visits the Austrian capital for a U.S.-European Union summit. Adwan, whose visa allows him movement in any of the 15 European countries bound by the Schengen border accord, is traveling to Norway later Friday for meetings with politicians and Palestinian groups. |
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| bachophile | May 12 2006, 05:27 PM Post #2 |
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as do atheists and politics... now tell me whats freakier, an insane rabbi or an attorney general candidate of the democratic party of the great state of alabama who seems to agree with mr personality of tehran... Alabama Democrats aghast at AG hopeful's denial of Holocaust By The Associated Press Democratic Party leaders are wondering what to do about a candidate for attorney general who denies the Holocaust occurred and wants to "reawaken white racial awareness." Larry Darby, the founder of the Atheist Law Center, made an abortive bid for the attorney general job as a Libertarian in 2002, but only recently have his views on race and the Holocaust come to light. In an interview Friday with The Associated Press, Darby said he believes no more than 140,000 Jewish people died in Europe during World War II, and most of them succumbed to typhus. Historians say about 6 million Jews were slaughtered by the Nazis, but Darby said the figure is a false claim of the "Holocaust industry." Darby said he will speak Saturday near Newark, New Jersey, at a meeting of National Vanguard, which bills itself as an advocate for the white race. Some of his campaign materials are posted on the group's Internet site. "It's time to stop pushing down the white man. We've been discriminated against too long," Darby said in the interview. The state Democratic chairman, Joe Turnham, said the party began an nvestigation last week after hearing about some of Darby's comments in a television interview. While the party supports the free-speech rights of any candidate, Turnham said some of Darby's views appear to be in "a realm of thought that is unacceptable." "Any type of hatred toward groups of people, especially for political gain, is completely unacceptable in the Alabama Democratic Party," said Turnham. It is unclear whether the party could do anything at this point, although the party could decline to certify the results should he win. Darby has no money for campaign advertising and has made only a few campaign speeches, but garnered 12 percent support in the June 6 primary in a poll of 400 registered voters last month. The poll, which was conducted by a university professor for Alabama media outlets and has a margin of error of plus or minus 5 percentage points, shows Mobile County District Attorney John Tyson ahead with 21 percent of the vote but about two-thirds of respondents undecided. Tyson said he does not consider Darby to be a serious candidate. "I am astonished as anyone has ever been that anyone is running for public office in Alabama on that platform," he said. |
| "I don't know much about classical music. For years I thought the Goldberg Variations were something Mr. and Mrs. Goldberg did on their wedding night." Woody Allen | |
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| jon-nyc | May 12 2006, 05:28 PM Post #3 |
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do I detect a bit of defensiveness? |
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| bachophile | May 12 2006, 05:29 PM Post #4 |
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on no, i think the rabbi is out of his f*ucking mind. my point was that freakery exists irrespective of religious backround |
| "I don't know much about classical music. For years I thought the Goldberg Variations were something Mr. and Mrs. Goldberg did on their wedding night." Woody Allen | |
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| jon-nyc | May 12 2006, 05:34 PM Post #5 |
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well thats true, but there's no freakery quite like religious freakery in my experience. |
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| bachophile | May 12 2006, 05:40 PM Post #6 |
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well, freakery is freakery. religion, racism, fascism, extremes strectched to any limit produce what normative people would call freaky. its all bad news to me. |
| "I don't know much about classical music. For years I thought the Goldberg Variations were something Mr. and Mrs. Goldberg did on their wedding night." Woody Allen | |
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| Dewey | May 12 2006, 05:56 PM Post #7 |
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Incidentally bach, the Presbyterian Church just sent a big delegation to Israel on a "fact-finding" tour. Stand by for more nonsense. |
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"By nature, i prefer brevity." - John Calvin, Institutes of the Christian Religion, p. 685. "Never waste your time trying to explain yourself to people who are committed to misunderstanding you." - Anonymous "Oh sure, every once in a while a turd floated by, but other than that it was just fine." - Joe A., 2011 I'll answer your other comments later, but my primary priority for the rest of the evening is to get drunk." - Klaus, 12/31/14 | |
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| bachophile | May 12 2006, 09:12 PM Post #8 |
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is this in antcipation of the june 2006 general assembly? http://www.pcusa.org/ga217/business/overtures/ovt0105.htm does this mean they r overturning the divestment issue? interesting... |
| "I don't know much about classical music. For years I thought the Goldberg Variations were something Mr. and Mrs. Goldberg did on their wedding night." Woody Allen | |
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| Dewey | May 13 2006, 04:33 AM Post #9 |
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Oh, of course not. Any presbytery (regional body) can propose an oveture; they aren't products of the "high command." As a friend who was part of this delegation sadly discovered, so many of their sessions were slanted to a predominantly pro-Palestinian, pro-divestment position that she was disgusted - and she holds a pretty reasonable and balanced position on the problem herself; she's neither knee-jerk pro-Israeli or pro-Palestinian. Of course, being a twenty-something, she's still a bit naive; she thought that the national leadership's comments that they're "just studying whether" to divest were accurate. She now sees that their minds were actually made up when they first voted to "study" the situation, and that everything between then and now was just a facade to provide cover for a foregone conclusion. Of course, a more world-weary, jaded forty-something could have told her that a year ago. It will be an interesting debate in June. I hope the GA votes against divestiture, but I'm not holding my breath. |
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