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The Next Culture War; Contraception
Topic Started: May 7 2006, 05:37 PM (909 Views)
Jeffrey
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Dwain: "There is no question that the increased use of contraceptives - despite their immense benefit - has, in fact, made a person's objectification/exploitation of another person, for selfish gratification, much easier and widespread. And that does have a substantial negative effect on our society. We have fewer babies, but at the expense of having become more callous and disconnected with each other. We have a lot more sex, and a lot less intimacy."

How exactly does using contraception lead people to be callous and disconnected and selfish? I missed that part. Is this from some study, or is it a reflection on your personal experience?
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Steve Miller
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Jolly
May 8 2006, 10:59 AM
I can think of one family with seven children.

Don't they have a television?
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Rick Zimmer
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Dwain
May 8 2006, 06:47 PM
In other words, the right winger is not ignoring the problem, and he actually isn't even redefining it - he merely believes that a different way to approach the problem is better. It's the exact same. Both liberals and conservatives can hold and promote certain measures for sinful or immoral purposes - in other words, both liberals and conservatives can be immoral. But there is nothing inherently sinful or immoral about approaching a problem from either a liberal or conservative viewpoint.

This may be true, but the end result of so many solutions proposed the the right is that little if anything gets done, and certainly not on the scale it needs to be done. There is much wringing of hands bemoaning the solutions offered by liuberals, but there is little actually accomplished by the right other than to try to kill government initiatives aimed at solving problems.

One wonders if the right readily knows this, recognizes it and just uses its supposed opposition to the methods as a way of skirting their responsibility.

It is all well and good to say the private charirities or private organizations or churches or individuals should be the ones providing assistance; but one wonders how practical it is. If it is not practical and is not adequate to meet the challenge, it is not a true solution.
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Dewey
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Yes, and the exact same argument can be made by transposing the words "left" and "right," and the words "government" and "private," with equal accuracy. It's when we understand, and can can honestly admit that it isn't just "them" that gets it wrong, but "us" too, that we stop just blaming the "other" and can possibly move forward.
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Jolly
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Steve Miller
May 8 2006, 11:02 PM
Jolly
May 8 2006, 10:59 AM
I can think of one family with seven children.

Don't they have a television?

AFAIK.

They also have a daughter in college at one end, and a toddler at the other end of the string.

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Rick Zimmer
May 8 2006, 10:15 PM

This may be true, but the end result of so many solutions proposed the the right is that little if anything gets done, and certainly not on the scale it needs to be done.  There is much wringing of hands bemoaning the solutions offered by liuberals, but there is little actually accomplished by the right other than to try to kill government initiatives aimed at solving problems.

One wonders if the right readily knows this, recognizes it and just uses its supposed opposition to the methods as a way of skirting their responsibility.

It is all well and good to say the private charirities or private organizations or churches or individuals should be the ones providing assistance; but one wonders how practical it is.  If it is not practical and is not adequate to meet the challenge, it is not a true solution.

Rick:

You've got to stop your incessant and monomaniacal conservative bashing. Unless Bono is lying or just plain wrong, Bush is to be applauded for the good work the US is doing world wide:

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In fact, you [The United States during Bush's tenure] have doubled aid to Africa.  You have tripled funding for global health.  Mr. President, your emergency plan for AIDS relief and support for the Global Fund—you and Congress—have put 700,000 people onto life-saving anti-retroviral drugs and provided 8 million bed nets to protect children from malaria.


It sounds like a lot is being accomplished, with no hand wringing but rather action, with positive government initiatives coming from a Rep controlled WH and Congress. What's your beef with this?
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Steve Miller
May 8 2006, 10:02 PM
Jolly
May 8 2006, 10:59 AM
I can think of one family with seven children.

Don't they have a television?

Maybe they are so benighted that they think that loving human relationships with children are more rewarding and more entertaining than television, and they are still so unenlightened that they still think that life and love is not a zero-sum game.
The dogma lives loudly within me.
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John D'Oh
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May 9 2006, 12:08 PM
Maybe they are so benighted that they think that loving human relationships with children are more rewarding and more entertaining than television

Or to put it another way, maybe they don't need the TV since they get all the sex and violence they can handle right there at home. :D
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