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On the cover of the Rolling Stone....; Worst President ever!
Topic Started: Apr 19 2006, 01:10 PM (485 Views)
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Let it be said by our children's children that when we were tested we refused to let this journey end, that we did not turn back nor did we falter; and with eyes fixed on the horizon and God's grace upon us, we carried forth that great gift of freedom and delivered it safely to future generations.
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George K
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'Bout as much credibility as Barbra Streisand or Alec Baldwin, if you ask me.

But then, you didn't.
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What idiots...
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George K
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From Prof. Wilentz Curriculum Vitae:

SEAN WILENTZ
Dayton-Stockon Professor of History
Director, Program in American Studies
Department of History
Dickinson Hall
Princeton University
Princeton, New Jersey 08544

EMPLOYMENT
Professor Department of History Princeton University 1987 -
Contributing Editor The New Republic 1994 -
Associate Professor Department of History Princeton University 1985 - 1987
Assistant Professor Department of History Princeton University 1979 - 1985

EDUCATION
Ph.D., Yale University, 1980.
M. Phil., Yale University, 1976.
M.A., Yale University, 1975.
B.A., Balliol College, Oxford University, 1974.
BA., Columbia College, Columbia University, 1972.

MISCELLANEOUS
Executive Board, Society of American Historians, 1992- Fellow, Society of American Historians, 1988-
Executive Board, Dissent, 1993-
Editorial Board, Dissent, 1990

Dissent Magazine.


So, as I said, is anyone surprised? People here take me to task for quoting the Weekly Standard, and you put up Rolling Stone with a cover of a dunce illustrating an article by a Professor who is on the editorial board of a left wing magazine.

Pot, meet Kettle.
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Phlebas
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They're not crazy about him over at "High Times," either.

Seriously, it all depends on how Iraq "turns out."
Random FML: Today, I was fired by my boss in front of my coworkers. It would have been nice if I could have left the building before they started celebrating. FML

The founding of the bulk of the world's nation states post 1914 is based on self-defined nationalisms. The bulk of those national movements involve territory that was ethnically mixed. The foundation of many of those nation states involved population movements in the aftermath. When the only one that is repeatedly held up as unjust and unjustifiable is the Zionist project, the term anti-semitism may very well be appropriate. - P*D


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George K
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BTW: Here's how "Dissent" characterizes itself:

"About Dissent Magazine
Dissent is a quarterly magazine of politics and culture edited by Mitchell Cohen and Michael Walzer. In the words of the New York Times, Dissent "ranks among the handful of political journals read most regularly by U.S. intellectuals."

A magazine of the left, Dissent is also a magazine of independent minds. A magazine of strong opinions, Dissent is also a magazine that welcomes the clash of strong opinions.

Each issue features reflective articles about politics in the U.S., incisive social and cultural commentary, plus the most sophisticated coverage of European politics you'll find anywhere outside of Europe. As the Utne Reader says, "Politics, economics, and culture come together in every article, giving the entire publication a balance most political journals lack."

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

So, we're a magazine of the left, but, we're not really.....


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"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... "
- Mik, 6/14/08


Nothing is as effective as homeopathy.

I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles.
- Klaus, 4/29/18
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pianojerome
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HOLY CARP!!!
Worse than Carter?

Worse than Kennedy?
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sue
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oh no, now that song is stuck in my head

...is the thrill that'll get ya, when you get your picture on the cover of the rolling stone :sing:
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JBryan
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I recall Sean Willentz from the times of the Clinton travails. A barnacle could not have had a tighter lip lock on his ass.
"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne


There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it".


Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody.

Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore.

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George K
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Worse than Fillmore or Buchanan?
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- Mik, 6/14/08


Nothing is as effective as homeopathy.

I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles.
- Klaus, 4/29/18
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Worse than President Thieu?
Random FML: Today, I was fired by my boss in front of my coworkers. It would have been nice if I could have left the building before they started celebrating. FML

The founding of the bulk of the world's nation states post 1914 is based on self-defined nationalisms. The bulk of those national movements involve territory that was ethnically mixed. The foundation of many of those nation states involved population movements in the aftermath. When the only one that is repeatedly held up as unjust and unjustifiable is the Zionist project, the term anti-semitism may very well be appropriate. - P*D


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George K
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Wiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_ra...U.S._Presidents

# President Political Party Average ranking Likely "reason" for extreme ranking
(not provided by scholars)
1 Abraham Lincoln Republican 1.64 saving the Union; destroying slavery; winning American Civil War, Gettysburg Address
2 Franklin D. Roosevelt Democrat 2 leadership of World War II and Great Depression, forming New Deal Coalition
3 George Washington Federalist-leaning non-partisan 2.81 first President, founder of the Republic, established many precedents
4 Thomas Jefferson Democratic-Republican 4.45 intellectual leadership, Louisiana Purchase, states-rights
5 Theodore Roosevelt Republican 4.82 charisma, conservationism, trust-busting "Square Deal," Panama Canal
6 Woodrow Wilson Democrat 6.64 World War I leadership; major legislation
7 Harry S. Truman Democrat 7.1 World War II and Cold War leadership (but much corruption)
8 Andrew Jackson Democrat 9.18 Overall effectiveness, charisma, nationalism
9 Dwight Eisenhower Republican 10.7 Cold War leadership, economic prosperity
10 James K. Polk Democrat 11 Mexican-American War leadership,
11 John Adams Federalist 12.45 avoided war
12 John F. Kennedy Democrat 12.45
13 James Madison Democratic-Republican 12.54
14 Ronald Reagan Republican 13.88
15 James Monroe Democratic-Republican 14
16 Lyndon B. Johnson Democrat 14
17 Grover Cleveland Democrat 14.81
18 William McKinley Republican 16.18
19 John Quincy Adams National Republican/Whig 17
20 William Howard Taft Republican 19.73 (poor PR, too many lost opportunities)
21 Bill Clinton Democrat 20.67 Corruption esp impeachment; end-of-term pardons.;
22 George W. Bush Republican 21
23 Martin Van Buren Democrat 21.81
24 Rutherford B. Hayes Republican 22
25 George H. W. Bush Republican 22.14
26 Chester Arthur Republican 25.45
27 Jimmy Carter Democrat 26.44
28 Gerald Ford Republican 26.55
29 Herbert Hoover Republican 26.63
30 Benjamin Harrison Republican 27.73
31 Calvin Coolidge Republican 28.27 Disinterest in exerting executive or federal power (regarded as a strength by some)
32 Richard Nixon Republican 28.66 Corrupt administration, notably the Watergate scandal
33 James A. Garfield Republican 29.57 Brief administration
34 Zachary Taylor Whig 29.82 Shorter term, did not support Compromise
35 John Tyler Whig/none 32.09 Lack of support from any political party
36 Millard Fillmore Whig 32.73 Fugitive Slave Act, lack of leadership during growing sectional divisiveness
37 Ulysses Grant Republican 33.27 Corrupt administration
38 William Henry Harrison Whig 33.57 Very brief administration (30 days)
39 Andrew Johnson Democrat 34.91 Reconstruction, impeachment
40 Franklin Pierce Democrat 35.27 Failure to avert Civil War; overall weak leadership
41 James Buchanan Democrat 36.91 Failure to avert Civil War; ruined his party; weak leadership
42 Warren G. Harding Republican 37.45 Corrupt administration
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Nothing is as effective as homeopathy.

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Education at Columbia, Yale and Oxford

A scholar, on the board of an Dissent (an egghead magazine of the left), a contributing editor to The New Republic.

All in all, must be an idiot saying nothing worth listening to, right guys?
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JBryan
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Right.
"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne


There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it".


Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody.

Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore.

From The Lion in Winter.
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Phlebas
Apr 19 2006, 04:17 PM
They're not crazy about him over at "High Times," either.


he doesn't like Geo Soros
it behooves me to behold
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Mikhailoh
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I'm not at all sure how a historian can rank a sitting president. The whole discipline of history to me implies some chronological distance, so that one can see how the seeds planted grew or failed.

But Rolling Stone knows their readership and gives them what they want.
Once in his life, every man is entitled to fall madly in love with a gorgeous redhead - Lucille Ball
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George K
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Dave Spelvin
Apr 19 2006, 04:40 PM
All in all, must be an idiot saying nothing worth listening to, right guys?

Never said the word idiot. Simply posted his CV.

Just pointing out that he writes for left-wing publications, and he wrote an article for a pop-magazine that has a primarily left-wing audience. He doesn't like Bush. I am shocked, shocked!

As I said earlier, I posted what was primarily a factual article (not an opion piece like the one that Jack cited) from a right-wing magazine and was told that "the Weekly Standard is to reporting as pornography is to literature."

Pick your sources as you wish, pick your scholars as you wish. However, no one is without an agenda.

And Mik's point about a sitting president is correct. View him with the spyglass of a century of history, and we'll see.
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- Mik, 6/14/08


Nothing is as effective as homeopathy.

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- Klaus, 4/29/18
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The purpose of the cartoon is to sell magazines and create publicity. He's not an idiot. Calm down. :)
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George K
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Never said it, John.
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"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... "
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Nothing is as effective as homeopathy.

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- Klaus, 4/29/18
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Apr 19 2006, 08:20 PM
Never said it, John.

:D
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Apr 19 2006, 01:10 PM
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....(Rollin stone)
Wanna see my picture on the cover
(Stone)
Wanna buy five copies for my mother (wa wa)
(Stone)
Wanna see my smilin face
On the cover of the rollin stone
On the cover of the rollin

(Stone)
Wanna see my picture on the cover
(talking)
I don't know why we ain't on the cover, Baby....
(Stone)
Wanna buy five copies for my mother
(talking)
We're beautiful subjects
(Stone)
Wanna see my smilin face
(talking)
I ain't kiddin, we would make a beautiful cover
On the cover of the rollin stone
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JBryan
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Apr 19 2006, 07:17 PM
The purpose of the cartoon is to sell magazines and create publicity. He's not an idiot. Calm down. :)

Sean Wilentz is an idiot.
"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne


There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it".


Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody.

Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore.

From The Lion in Winter.
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George K
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:whistle:
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"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... "
- Mik, 6/14/08


Nothing is as effective as homeopathy.

I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles.
- Klaus, 4/29/18
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http://www.nationalreview.com/script/print...owitz071102.asp


In the fall of 1998, testifying before the Judiciary Committee of the U.S. House of Representatives, Princeton historian Sean Wilentz prophesied that history would regard as "zealots" and "fanatics" members who sincerely believed they had good reason to vote to impeach President Clinton. In November 2000, days after the presidential election ended in stalemate, Wilentz assembled a bizarre group that included some of our nation's top professors of constitutional law (including Bruce Ackerman, Ronald Dworkin, and Cass Sunstein) mixed together with actors and other celebrities (including Robert De Niro, Rosie O'Donnell, and Bianca Jagger) and persuaded them to sign their names to a full-page ad in the New York Times that spoke of Al Gore's having won a "clear constitutional majority of the popular vote," even though the Constitution says nothing about the popular vote in presidential elections and is perfectly clear that victory goes to the candidate who receives the most electoral votes. However, on Monday, in his scurrilous attack on Justice Scalia, "From Justice Scalia, a Chilling Vision of Religion's Authority in America," featured on the New York Times op-ed page, Wilentz outdid himself.

"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne


There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it".


Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody.

Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore.

From The Lion in Winter.
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