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| How much would you pay to win the Iraq war? | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Apr 1 2006, 08:46 PM (649 Views) | |
| Axtremus | Apr 1 2006, 08:46 PM Post #1 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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The question is simple: How much cost are you willing to see the US bear to win the current Iraq war? The definition of "winning" can be a huge debate by itself, so for this poll, you get to use whatever definition of "winning" you like. I'd just like to get a sense of how much cost you think we should spend on the Iraq war before you deem it "not worth fighting." I've broken it down into three aspects:
Put the other way, is there a set of numbers, e.g., that had you know ahead of time that it would take {x American lives, $y, and z years} to "win" the Iraq war, that you'd tell yourself: it's not worth fighting if { x > X', $y > $Y', z > Z' }. I would like to know what those {X', $Y', Z'} values are for you. |
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| The 89th Key | Apr 1 2006, 08:52 PM Post #2 |
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I would say it's not worth fighting if we lose more than 5 to 10,000 soldiers. I would say it's not worth fighting if we spend more than a trillion bucks. I would say if we are there for MORE than 10 years, it's not worth it. I picked the closest answers that were available. |
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| Rick Zimmer | Apr 1 2006, 09:10 PM Post #3 |
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Fulla-Carp
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How come it won't let me choose the one I want to choose? (Guess which one? :rolleyes: ) When I click on it and then click submit, it says I did not vote. Sounds kind of like Florida in 2000 and Ohio in 2004.
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| LWpianistin | Apr 1 2006, 09:12 PM Post #4 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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that happened to me too....and i think we were probably trying to vote for the same one :lol: it's a conspiracy! it's all Bush's fault!!! (jk) |
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| Kincaid | Apr 1 2006, 09:14 PM Post #5 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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That Ax, what a kidder. Another April Fool's joke? |
| Kincaid - disgusted Republican Partisan since 2006. | |
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| Axtremus | Apr 1 2006, 10:13 PM Post #6 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Sorry for the technical problem... when I set the poll up, I specified "Multi-Choice (3)" thinking that that would allow "up to 3 choices" to let every one choose one choice on "human cost," one on "Dollar cost," and one on "time." But it seems the Forum poll software logic now requires exactly three choices specified for a vote to count. This is a software change that I'm not aware of until now, and I cannot fix it. Sorry! |
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| The 89th Key | Apr 1 2006, 10:24 PM Post #7 |
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I guess I was lucky. I chose exactly 3 anyway! |
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| Axtremus | Apr 2 2006, 06:20 AM Post #8 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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C'mon, people! Tell me how much you're willing to spend to win the current Iraq war. If your answer is "as much as it takes" -- even if it kills the last American and spend the last penny, at least have the courage to say so. If you don't have an answer and you still want to wage war, you're just a war-monger who hasn't think things through. I disagree with 89th (because I think we should be prepared to spend even more if we were to fight), but at least he has the courage to put a stake down and say "this is the level of sacrifice we should be prepared to make to win this war." |
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| apple | Apr 2 2006, 06:33 AM Post #9 |
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one of the angels
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what are costs if we do not wage war? |
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| Axtremus | Apr 2 2006, 06:48 AM Post #10 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Far question, please tell me your answer, and feel free to use that as an input parameter to answer the poll. Like I said, if you think the alternative is so bad as to willing to risk every last American life and spend every penny, I'd welcome you to state so. My answer to your question is this: 1. We might perhaps face 10x the damage of 9/11 -- so 30,000 American lives, plus few hundred $Billions of damages. 2. The Iraqis shall not enjoy "liberty," "freedom," and "democracy" for, say another 30 years. I'm willing to give 0.001 American life for the liberty/freedom/democracy of every Iraqi. Iraq has 26 million people -- so about 26,000 American lives. 3. Take #1 and #2 together, I'm willing to sacrifice 50,000 American lives to win this war. 4. Embedded in #2 is that I'm willing to see this war go on for 30 years -- beyond that, I believe there is an overwhelmingly good chance that Saddam's regime would not be in power anyway without us having to do anything. 5. Spoil of war -- let's say the "spoil of war" we get from Iraq is every last drop of oil under its sand, which is about 115 Billion barrels, and assigning each barrel the recent "high" market price of $70, that comes up to about $8 Trillion -- I see no point in spending more than that to win the war. If don't agree with what I presented above, tell me your numbers and your reasoning. |
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| apple | Apr 2 2006, 07:02 AM Post #11 |
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i don't know that we are IN IT FOR THE OIL.. as many claim.. i hope we prevent the wealth of a nation stolen and diverted to anti-Western, anti-Christian, anti-Israel interests... i hope we prevent rogue governments from legitimately engaging in capitilistic venture.. i hope we can allow humans to live as humans and not be bred for cannon fodder. -off to fulfill my pianistic obligations. |
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| Rick Zimmer | Apr 2 2006, 07:19 AM Post #12 |
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Fulla-Carp
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Which war? The one on terrorism we are not pursuing and does not require massive military maneuvers but has to be fought differently, as Bush said right after 9/11? Or the one in Iraq which we are fighting and has distracted us from doing what we should be doing? |
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| Axtremus | Apr 2 2006, 07:20 AM Post #13 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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That's all well and good, and I respect your sentiment. Now the question is: how much sacrifice do you think this country should be prepared to make to make that happen? |
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| FrankM | Apr 2 2006, 09:50 AM Post #14 |
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Senior Carp
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I’d have no problem spending all of your money, Ax, for this worthy cause, but certainly not a cent of mine. I'm the kind of stand-up guy that's always ready to put your money where my mouth is. Further, there are a number of people here whose lives I’d be pleased to sacrifice in fulfillment of their patriotic duty. (Please, no accolades. It’s the very least I can do for my great country.) |
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| Axtremus | Apr 2 2006, 10:20 AM Post #15 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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FrankM, I appreciate your candor.
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| Axtremus | Apr 2 2006, 12:30 PM Post #16 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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*bump* |
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| Axtremus | Apr 2 2006, 09:12 PM Post #17 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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*bump* |
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| Larry | Apr 2 2006, 09:25 PM Post #18 |
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Mmmmmmm, pie!
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No need bumping the thing up - you've asked a pointless question, and Rick has spun even that into such a perverted mess there's no need to pursue it. |
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| Rick Zimmer | Apr 2 2006, 09:38 PM Post #19 |
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I am not sure, why, Ax, but these types of things do not get much response here. Your poll is akin to the question I have asked several times -- how is success in Iraq t be defined? 89th is good at answering, but for all of those who keep saying we need to stay there until the job is done, few seem to be willing to say what they mean when they say that. Thus, it is not surprising the few are willing to step forward and speak to how much they are willing to give in this effort. |
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| John D'Oh | Apr 3 2006, 04:35 AM Post #20 |
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If this war really is as important (or more so) as WWII, as some have claimed, then the numbers get pretty big. What would Churchill do? Come to that, what would Stalin do? If you put a limit on how much you're willing to spend, then you don't really think that it's a fight for survival at all. |
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| The 89th Key | Apr 3 2006, 04:55 AM Post #21 |
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Ax, I think this is a very worthwhile poll and/or question. John, I think the consequences of us letting terrorists take over Iraq and Afghanistan could be similiar to if we lost WWII. In one way, it's the same thing. We have a regime (Nazis and terrorists) who want to kill everyone who isn't like them. |
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| JBryan | Apr 3 2006, 05:03 AM Post #22 |
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I believe this to be a nonsensical poll as it does not address the consequences for failure in Iraq. Whatever is paid must be balanced against that. It also must be balanced against whatever progress has been made. Obviously, if we were even now fighting Saddam's forces for the city of Baghdad in house to house fighting we would have cause to reconsider. It is nonsensical to suppose that you could set some fixed amount beyond which you can spend no more without some idea of where you would be at when that level had been reached. To think otherwise is simple minded. |
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| kathyk | Apr 3 2006, 05:18 AM Post #23 |
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Pisa-Carp
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You're right!!! :lol: I couldn't vote either. I smell a rat. (when did Kathleen Harris join?)
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| John D'Oh | Apr 3 2006, 06:28 AM Post #24 |
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MAMIL
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So you wouldn't have allowed more than 50,000 American deaths to stop Hitler? I'm glad you weren't in charge, we'd all be speaking Russian now. (Yes, I do mean Russian) |
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| The 89th Key | Apr 3 2006, 07:18 AM Post #25 |
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Where did I say I wouldn't allow more than 50,000 deaths to stop Hitler? ![]() Warfare is different. Consequences are the same. |
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