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So now, they're gynecologists?
Topic Started: Apr 1 2006, 01:57 PM (1,427 Views)
George K
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From MEMRI TV here’s a mind-altering show from Kuwait’s Al-Rai TV, featuring an Egyptian Islamic expert discussing the finer points of female genital mutilation.

http://switch5.castup.net/frames/20041020_...1090wmv&ak=null

Interviewer: So what about the girl’s opinion?

Dr. Muhammad Wahdan: What do you mean?

Interviewer: What if she says: I don’t want to be circumcised. What happens then?

Dr. Muhammad Wahdan: If a girl says she doesn’t want it, she’s free. No problem.

Interviewer: Is this what happens in reality?

Dr. Muhammad Wahdan: I have no relation to reality. I am talking about how things should be.

Interviewer: You are a religious sheik, from Al-Azahar University. You cannot say you have no relation to reality.

Dr. Muhammad Wahdan: Reality is a mistake, we must rectify it.

[...]

In Egypt we have four and a half million spinsters. The definition of a spinster is a woman who has reached 30, without ever receiving a marriage proposal. We have a spinster problem in the Arab world, and the last thing we want is for them to be sexually aroused. Circumcision of the girls who need it makes them chaste, dignified, and pure.
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kenny
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quote: Dr. Muhammad Wahdan: Reality is a mistake, we must rectify it.



Remarkable! :hair:

Gotta love them religions! :rolleyes:
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Jolly
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Bring out your daughters, American swine. We of the one and only true Faith shall cloak them in veils, and cover them with chastity.

Not to mention cut off their clitoris.

Y'all, I'm just about to the point that we need to nuke these savages just on general principles...kinda like a rat eradication campaign during the Black Death...
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George K
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Now, now, Jolly. It's the Religion of Peace®, remember? Wouldn't want to offend anyones sensibilities.

(Oh, and the plural of clitoris is clitorides.)
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pianojerome
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kenny
Apr 1 2006, 05:01 PM
quote: Dr. Muhammad Wahdan: Reality is a mistake, we must rectify it.



Remarkable! :hair:

Gotta love Religions!

No, "gotta love this person."


I've never heard of any religion teaching that "reality is a mistake, we must rectify it."
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kenny
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Another example of how religion turns off parts of the brain.
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George K
Apr 1 2006, 05:16 PM


(Oh, and the plural of clitoris is clitorides.)

i'll be using that word soon
it behooves me to behold
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pianojerome
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kenny
Apr 1 2006, 05:24 PM
Another example of how religion turns off parts of the brain.

Religion teaches about what the followers believe to be reality.

Why would anybody teach/follow what he himself believes to be fiction and imaginary?
Sam
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kenny
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pianojerome
Apr 1 2006, 02:27 PM

Religion teaches about what the followers believe to be reality.




That's very PC of you but Reality doesn't depend on belief.

That's what *makes* it reality.

If not, *anything* could be reality.
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bachophile
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the plural of clitoris is clitorides


i thought the plural of clitoris was "heaven"...
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kenny
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Some women have more than one?

How would I know?

Some men have three globes.
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bachophile
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is the plural of penis...penitides?
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kathyk
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We have a spinster problem?! I beg your pardon!

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That is just plain bizarre. Do you suppose they really do have droves of spinsters pulling down the system? And is the horniness of all those spinsters really creating a rift in the societal fabric (man - does that create some odd imagery - Spinsters on the rampage!) Hmmm - maybe time to implement an innovative one man/one bride limit.
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Jolly
Apr 1 2006, 06:03 PM
Bring out your daughters, American swine. We of the one and only true Faith shall cloak them in veils, and cover them with chastity.

Not to mention cut off their clitoris.

Y'all, I'm just about to the point that we need to nuke these savages just on general principles...kinda like a rat eradication campaign during the Black Death...

Jolly,

I share your revulsion but not your solution. There comes a time when even the big bombs don't do the trick...at least not beyond the very short term.

Note how successful we have been in eradicating rats, generally.

jf

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bachophile
Apr 1 2006, 05:37 PM
is the plural of penis...penitides?

Isn't this Crashtest's specialty?
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And at risk of public flogging, might I add, look at the source. MEMRI manages to post the most ridiculous and inflammatory stuff that is published in Arabic media. Imagine if Louis Farakin and Fred Phelps were prime news stories that were used to characterize the US.

I could be wrong, but I doubt that this guy represents mainstream thought in Egypt.
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Jack Frost
Apr 1 2006, 09:03 PM
Jolly
Apr 1 2006, 06:03 PM
Bring out your daughters, American swine. We of the one and only true Faith shall cloak them in veils, and cover them with chastity.

Not to mention cut off their clitoris.

Y'all, I'm just about to the point that we need to nuke these savages just on general principles...kinda like a rat eradication campaign during the Black Death...

Jolly,

I share your revulsion but not your solution. There comes a time when even the big bombs don't do the trick...at least not beyond the very short term.

Note how successful we have been in eradicating rats, generally.

jf

Nutters, like the poor, are always with us. Extremist religious nutters are like extremely annoying poor people who insist on coming round to your house on Saturday just to show you how poor they are, and to try to share their mouldy cheese with you. If I wanted mouldy cheese, I'd buy my own, now SOD OFF!
What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket?
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bachophile
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look at the source


yes yes memri is the source of all evil and not representative...

u should stop paying too serious attention to our mutual friend juan...

and ill ask u all not to go this particular section of memri, it may confuse your otherwise prejudiced views of the arab world...

memri reform project
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Axtremus
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"Reality is a mistake. We must rectify it."

It's actually a good attitude if that statement stands alone. It shows courage and conviction to mould the world into your vision. Ghandi saw his reality to be a mistake, Susan B. Anthony saw her reality as a mistake, Hiter saw his reality as a mistake, Napolean saw his reality as a mistake, Sun Tzong San saw his reality as a mistake, Aung San Suuki saw her reality as a mistake, even Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz and the foreign policy hawks saw their reality as a mistake -- they all took actions to "rectify it." "Rectifying reality" is not a bad sentiment, it's the context and the results that people should disagree with.

Oh, "clitorides" -- glad to learn a new word. Thanks, GeorgeK. :D
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kathyk
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Haven't visited Juan since the last time you and I spoke about him. Have I missed anything good?


I form my views of MEMRI from what I see at the site - and it's extremely bent.
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bachophile
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you r right, the reform project does seem abit optimistic, no? definatly too bent.

or maybe u didnt know about that section of memri?
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kenny
Apr 1 2006, 05:42 PM
pianojerome
Apr 1 2006, 02:27 PM

Religion teaches about what the followers believe to be reality.




That's very PC of you but Reality doesn't depend on belief.

That's what *makes* it reality.

If not, *anything* could be reality.


Yes, exactly! Reality does not depend on belief. Problem is whenever I tell you that, you call me a rude, inconsiderate bigot who doesn't respect other people's views. :wink:


It's maybe a problem with words.

For example, many Jews/Christians/Muslims believe that there is a God just in the same way that we believe the Earth is round. It's not so much a matter of belief - it seems to us that God is real just as the Earth is real, regardless of what anybody believes. The two are thought to be real and absolute, regardless of belief.

Yes, God is controversial. Yes, nobody's really 100% certain of his existance. But, then to take another example, nobody's really seen the stars and galaxies that are millions of lightyears away (except for seeing tiny dots in the night sky, which could possibly be anything); but, we believe (wrong word maybe, but I can't think of a better one) that those stars and galaxies really do exist millions of lightyears away; we're of course not 100% certain, but fairly certain that they are just as real as the Earth being round. And that is how many religious people view God - of course we're not 100% certain, but we're pretty sure that he is just as real as those stars and galaxies and just as real as you're reading this post right now.
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Jolly
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George K
Apr 1 2006, 02:16 PM
Now, now, Jolly. It's the Religion of Peace®, remember? Wouldn't want to offend anyones sensibilities.

(Oh, and the plural of clitoris is clitorides.)

Never seen more than one at a time.

Pardon my faux pas...
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Dewey
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To look at the video, and read the transcripts from the Arab media posted at MEMRI, and to dismiss them by discounting MEMRI itself is a mistake. It's exactly the same as if Drudge provided a link to an article from the New York Times that a person disagreed with, and the person's response was, "Well, Drudge doesn't know what he's talking about" - blaming Drudge for the content of the Times article itself.

It may be valid to argue that some of the rhetoric seen in the MEMRI videos do not represent the majority opinion of the Arab world - but then again, maybe the argument is not that valid. I suppose a person could debate that back and forth, in the absence of opinion polling, but without any real source of authority.

But whether these views do, or don't, reflect majority Arab opinion actually isn't relevant. What is relevant, is that these views hold sway with a substantial segment of the Arab world - a large enough segment to pose a threat to those whom they oppose, whether the US, Israel, women, Jews, Christians, or even other factions within their same religion. There can't be any argument that these views are so rare that they do not pose a threat to anyone, and that they should therefore be ignored. The mere fact that so many of these videos are taken from state-run, state-moderated, state-sanctioned, "official" media outlets from the various countries should be of great concern by itself - especially since these countries are run by the whim and opinions of its rulers, and concepts of public "majority" are, at best, secondary academic abstractions.

The majority of Southerners were not hate-filled, lynching, KKK members - but those that were had to be dealt with, not ignored because they didn't represent a majority of southerners.

The majority of black social activists were not Black Panthers - but those that were had to be dealt with, not ignored because they didn't represent a majority of blacks.

Or a more positive example (assuming you're sitting on the west side of the pond, anyway): Imagine King George III's advisors - "Well, your Highness, there seems to be significant discontent in the American Colonies and some talk of independence. But not to worry; our most recent polling data indicate that only about a third of the colonial population actually want independence."

It doesn't take a majority to constitute a great threat, or a great good. Ignoring the power of either can be dangerous.
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