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From the Saddam Files; Today's installment
Topic Started: Mar 22 2006, 08:02 AM (204 Views)
George K
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"In the Pentagon/FMSO document ISGZ-2004-009247 there is a clear report about the relation between Iraq and Bin Laden that dated back to 1995. This document contains a 9 page report from the Iraqi Intelligence Apparatus and it is titled “The Saudi Opposition and Achieving the Relation and Contact With Them”. In the report they talk about there meeting with Osama Bin Laden and that Bin Laden in 1995 and how to establish relations with him. In the meeting Bin Laden asked the Iraqis for joint operations with them against the Foreign forces (US military) in the land of Hijaz (Saudia or Saudi Arabia).
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But you know there was no tie, George! Rick said so!
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George K
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Putin Lied! Kids Died!
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Nothing new there, George. We know that bin Laden asked, and we knew that before. The part you quoted says nothing about an agreement on the part of the Iraqis to conduct joint operations.
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BTW Quirt, ironically I read that Washington Post article you mentioned yesterday. I read it at lunch and afterwards thought "Oh! This is the one quirt was talking about!" :P

Ok back to the thread...
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Rick Zimmer
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Mar 22 2006, 08:57 AM
Nothing new there, George. We know that bin Laden asked, and we knew that before. The part you quoted says nothing about an agreement on the part of the Iraqis to conduct joint operations.

We need to just be patient, Quirt. This is going to go on for a very long time, I think.

There were several thousand pages selectively released. (Of course there were thousands more held back --and we don't know why some were released and others held back.)

George has apparently decided to select out of the selective release one paragraph, one quote, at a time, for our reading pleasure.

He also has chosen to highlight what he thinks are the phrases we should get all excited about.

Of course, the fact that no one in the Bush Admkinionstration is using these to justify or prove anything doesn't matter to George. I guess he has found a gold mine which he thinks proves that Bush's original justification for the war is correct -- even though Bush himself and all his cronies have said they were not.

Carry on, George. At this rate, you have a couple of years worth of threads to start -- assuming you intend to give us all of the documents released and not just a random paragraph you have carefully selected from here and there, taken out of context, with no verification of what they are supposedly saying.
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George K
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There were several thousand pages selectively released. (Of course there were thousands more held back --and we don't know why some were released and others held back.)

That's right. Some released and you doubt their truth, and some held back, and you imply that they are accurate.

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George has apparently decided to select out of the selective release one paragraph, one quote, at a time, for our reading pleasure.

So, is it another Bushlie(tm), is it FakeButAccurate(tm), or is it the truth? You seem not to have answered that part.

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Bush himself and all his cronies...

Wasn't it you that complained about snide and sarcastic comments a couple of days ago?

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Carry on, George. At this rate, you have a couple of years worth of threads to start

Count on it....

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not just a random paragraph you have carefully selected from here and there, taken out of context, with no verification of what they are supposedly saying

I included the links, Rick. Go read them for yourself.
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Larry
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Let's see....

We have photographs of the Al Qaeda training camps in Iraq, one containing a 727 used to train terrorists to hijack planes. We have numerous defectors who have stated that Saddam and Bin Laden were working together. We have Bush saying Saddam was training terrorists. We have Putin saying the same, and that Saddam was heavily involved in working with terrorists with the intent to strike the US. We have just in the first few pages released of Saddam's documents proof of it all.

Yet Rick, that fount of wisdom, balanced to a fault....... apparently of the opinion that regardless of what the first pages have revealed, the rest of them will refute what's already been found in them.

Yeah, boy............ Now *that's* what I call rational thought......
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George K
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Oh, and here's that far right-wing bastion of bias, ABC's take on the document I cited (with a different translation). For your "reading pleasure" (I find it interesting that you complained about my sarcasm and snide comments about Islam's silence about the crimes of some of its members, and yet you have the hubris to use snide and sarcastic comments about me to others, without the courtesy (or courage) to say it to my (virtual) face.) I submit this:

This is unedited from ABC's web site, Rick. No boldface added for emphasis. I don't want to be accused of spinning.


Iraq Archive Document Describes Bin Laden Meeting

"Osama Bin Laden Contact With Iraq"

A newly released pre-war Iraqi document indicates that an official representative of Saddam Hussein's government met with Osama bin Laden in Sudan on February 19, 1995 after approval by Saddam Hussein. Bin Laden asked that Iraq broadcast the lectures of Suleiman al Ouda, a radical Saudi preacher, and suggested "carrying out joint operations against foreign forces" in Saudi Arabia. According to the document, Saddam's presidency was informed of the details of the meeting on March 4, 1995 and Saddam agreed to dedicate a program for them on the radio. The document states that further "development of the relationship and cooperation between the two parties to be left according to what's open (in the future) based on dialogue and agreement on other ways of cooperation." The Sudanese were informed about the agreement to dedicate the program on the radio.

The report then states that "Saudi opposition figure" bin Laden had to leave Sudan in July 1996 after it was accused of harboring terrorists. It says information indicated he was in Afghanistan. "The relationship with him is still through the Sudanese. We're currently working on activating this relationship through a new channel in light of his current location," it states.


(Editor's Note: This document is handwritten and has no official seal. Although contacts between bin Laden and the Iraqis have been reported in the 9/11 Commission report and elsewhere, (e.g. the 9/11 report states "Bin Ladn himself met with a senior Iraqi intelligence officer in Khartoum in late 1994 or early 1995) this document indicates the contacts were approved personally by Saddam Hussein.

It also indicates the discussions were substantive, in particular that bin Laden was proposing an operational relationship, and that the Iraqis were, at a minimum, interested in exploring a potential relationship and prepared to show good faith by broadcasting the speeches of al Ouda, the radical cleric who was also a bin Laden mentor.

The document does not establish that the two parties did in fact enter into an operational relationship. Given that the document claims bin Laden was proposing to the Iraqis that they conduct "joint operations against foreign forces" in Saudi Arabia, it is interesting to note that eight months after the meeting — on November 13, 1995 — terrorists attacked Saudi National Guard Headquarters in Riyadh, killing 5 U.S. military advisors. The militants later confessed on Saudi TV to having been trained by Osama bin Laden.)




Read that last paragraph again, Rick. "Given that the document claims bin Laden was proposing to the Iraqis that they conduct "joint operations against foreign forces" in Saudi Arabia, it is interesting to note that eight months after the meeting — on November 13, 1995 — terrorists attacked Saudi National Guard Headquarters in Riyadh, killing 5 U.S. military advisors. The militants later confessed on Saudi TV to having been trained by Osama bin Laden.) "

Not my words. ABC's.

And yes, there's more. Much more to come. Out of the thousands and thousands of documents that are there, this is the surface. Yet, you claim that I am being "selective" about what I post here. That may be, but you have yet to refute the fact that those documents ARE THERE.


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This is going to go on for a very long time, I think.

I can only hope so. Your refusal, or your inabiltiy, to address these comments, other than by attacking the messenger, but not the message is an example of the intellectual dishonesty of the sad, sad world in which you live.
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