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Suddenly, the Bush Administration Changes Course; On Confessions Through Torture
Topic Started: Mar 22 2006, 05:30 AM (234 Views)
QuirtEvans
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From the WSJ:

The Bush administration will bar statements made under torture from its Guantanamo Bay military courts, reversing a White House decision in July that could have allowed such evidence to convict suspected terrorists held at the U.S. naval base in Cuba.

The new rule, expected to be issued this week, comes before Supreme Court arguments next Tuesday over the legality of the special courts, known as military commissions, which President Bush authorized after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks to prosecute non-U.S. citizens for war crimes.

A Defense Department spokeswoman said the regulation had been approved but not yet publicly released by the Pentagon's general counsel, who oversees the commission system.

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Too bad it took the threat of impending Supreme Court review to get them to reach this conclusion.
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Kudos to President Bush and his administration for doing the right thing in this very challenging situation. :thumb:
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QuirtEvans
Mar 22 2006, 07:30 AM
The Bush administration will bar statements made under torture from its Guantanamo Bay military courts, reversing a White House decision in July that could have allowed such evidence to convict suspected terrorists held at the U.S. naval base in Cuba.

Not that I disagree, but I can see the argument:

"Was this information obtained through torture?"
"No, judge."
"Well, you threatened to turn off his air conditioning, didn't you?"

or

"Was this information obtained through torture?"
"No, judge."
"Well, you broke his arms, didn't you?"


The court will, no doubt have to define where in the spectrum that line is, right?
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QuirtEvans
Mar 22 2006, 05:30 AM
From the WSJ:

The Bush administration will bar statements made under torture from its Guantanamo Bay military courts, reversing a White House decision in July that could have allowed such evidence to convict suspected terrorists held at the U.S. naval base in Cuba.

The new rule, expected to be issued this week, comes before Supreme Court arguments next Tuesday over the legality of the special courts, known as military commissions, which President Bush authorized after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks to prosecute non-U.S. citizens for war crimes.

A Defense Department spokeswoman said the regulation had been approved but not yet publicly released by the Pentagon's general counsel, who oversees the commission system.

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Too bad it took the threat of impending Supreme Court review to get them to reach this conclusion.

But I thought we didn't torture. So why would they even say this?

I guess the real change in course is that this is a tacit admission that they have engaged in torture.

(On a tangential subject: Isn't this the third or fourth time the Bushies have made a dramatic change in course right before a case challenigng their policie was to be heard by the Supreme Court? Kind of tells us that they knew all along what they were doing was not acceptable under our Consitution, but they did it anyway. So much for protecting and defending the Constitution!)
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You watch what politicians do, not what they say.

The prison at Gitmo is undergoing a massive expansion, and the expansion is modeled on SuperMax specs.

The sparkling exercise yards and cheery sunshine of our little part of the Cuban jewel of Gitmo will be welcoming turbanned vacationers for years to come.

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Jolly
Mar 22 2006, 10:56 AM
You watch what politicians do, not what they say.

Now that I can agree with.
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I think we should round up all the loony fringe leftwing nutbobs and make them watch Rush Limbaugh until they.... I started to say lose their minds, but it's too late for that..... until they pass out...
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Jolly
Mar 22 2006, 07:56 AM
You watch what politicians do, not what they say.

So you are saying Bush lied when he said there was no torture?

Or is he lying now when he says they will not use statements extracted through torture in the proceedings?
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BUSH LIED! PEOPLE DIED!
BUSH LIED! PEOPLE DIED!
BUSH LIED! PEOPLE DIED!......

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Rick Zimmer
Mar 22 2006, 10:08 AM
So you are saying Bush lied when he said there was no torture?

Or is he lying now when he says they will not use statements extracted through torture in the proceedings?

Rick, have you stopped beating your wife?
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QuirtEvans
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To be fair, one of the reasons the W-ettes opposed this rule was because some, like Rick, might say that it implicitly acknowledges that torture occurred. They were careful to say that we don't condone torture, and it didn't happen, but this way there can be no doubt that we are following the international conventions.

Doing it right before the Supremes hear the case is mighty fishy, though.
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George K
Mar 22 2006, 08:20 AM
Rick Zimmer
Mar 22 2006, 10:08 AM
So you are saying Bush lied when he said there was no torture?

Or is he lying now when he says they will not use statements extracted through torture in the proceedings?

Rick, have you stopped beating your wife?

No fair! I thought of this first but couldn't post it quickly enough!
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