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St. Patty's Day Redux; What do Irish pubs REALLY serve?
Topic Started: Mar 20 2006, 07:07 PM (239 Views)
Mikhailoh
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Janet and I went to Brazenhead Irish Pub for dinner tonight, a monstrous place, three stories of pub that resembles Irish building only in its colorful nature, surely not in its size.

Now I do understand that an Irish pub in Mason, Ohio will NOT be exactly like one in County Cork. But something recognizable as Celtic on the menu would be nice.

Fish and chips or salmon were probably very much Irish dishes, but the salmon was served with a mango-ginger sauce?!?!? I've not yet heard of Irish-Asian fusion cuisine.

What does one really eat in a real Irish pub?
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I do enjoy the bangers here:

http://www.celticray.com/

it's the only "authentic" Irish pub I've found down here.

I was extremely disappointed when I found out that "Harp" is made in Canada and not in Ireland anymore. Isn't anything sacred? :sad:
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I was in Boston on St. Patricks day and we went for lunch at a (packed) Irish pub. The special of the day was corned beef and cabbage.
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Mikhailoh
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Peggy,

Now THAT menu and draught list is what I think of as an Irish pub. Thanks. I think I may wend it to these clearly clueless folks.
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just so u know, the idea of exporting irish pubs to the world is a well known marketing ploy of guiness beer. years ago, if u recall, there was no such thing as an irish pub, execept for local watering holes frequented by real irish...(i remmeber in ny a small establishment called the blarney stone, which the feds were always checking for IRA connections...)

then in the 90's, guiness beer, competing in an ever more competitive foreign beer market came up with a brilliant ploy.

intsead of marketing just beer, they could finance "irish pubs" where of course guiness would be sold. one of the most succesful advertising ploys in history. instead of marketing the beer, they would market the irish pub experience.

guiness sunk lots of money into franchises willing to open these establishments (with names like "temple bar" or similar to famous real dublin drink houses.)

now u have "irish pubs" in almost every major city in the world, most not financially connected to guiness, but simply riding the wave.

interesting phenomenon.
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My wife is from Ireland, and I've been a few times.

She never heard of corned beef until she came to the US. Irish Americans eat corned beef, Irish in Ireland do not.

Typical Irish pub food is soup and sandwich (usually Knorr vegetable or potato soup, and buttered bread with ONE slice of cheese, ONE slice of ham, ONE slice of cheese and ham, or lettuce and tomato), with tea.

Pubs that are also restaurants serve various menus from burgers, steaks, pizzas, fish/seafood, etc.

Peoples' tastes are getting more ecclectic there, so I'm sure you can find Irish/Asian fusion somewhere.
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Bach,

That was fascinating.. I had no idea.
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Yep, Bach nailed it. I actually did find kind of an older establishment down in Atlanta that may have been authentic. The owner and staff were all Irish, and a high percentage of the customers were irish. Wasn't very gimmicky, pretty much straight forward bar. Had alot of different beers ontap. That's where I discovered Smithwick's, which has since become my favorite draught. Whiskeys were in small barrels, and a great shephards pie.

In DC, it's all the Guiness "TGI Friday's" type of irish pubs. All Guiness and Harp's. Nothing wrong with that, but just not the same as the place in Atlanta. On weekends, they've got your usual local Top 40/Classic Rock/ Country Band. Whatever this year's thing is. If you order anything other than Guiness or Harp's, beware. That's all the crowd drinks and as a result the other stuff gets neglected. Lines need clean, kegs aren't fresh, etc.....
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There are several places in Pittsburgh that might do. I have never been in Ireland so I can't say what's authentic, but I personally like Piper's Pub on Carson Street on the South Side and Mullaney's Harp and Fiddle on Penn Avenue in the Strip District.

I only seldom drink Guiness here in the US. It seems thinner somehow than the product I've enjoyed elsewhere in the world.

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There are/were about 400 bars in NY named "Blarney Stone." They are all pretty much to be avoided, and are about as Irish as Mike Tyson. I like the sign on the one I used to walk by going to work: "Happy Hour - 8:00am-9:00am!" (now that's some happy hour).

There were always rumors of IRA connections in some Irish bars, but in reality the only IRA most of the bar owners were contributing to were managed by Merrill Lynch. You'd have to go to Lansdowne Rd., or Sunnyside to find some of the bars that were really connected. Believe me, you did not want to be caught singing a chorus of "Rule Brittania" in those places.

The best Irish pubs in NY were Eamonn Doran's, the pub in the Fitzpatrick Hotel, The Quays, The Irish Rover, Gibney's.

Those were the days.

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Pubs should serve good beer. Anything else is just window-dressing. If they serve food, it should be crisps (chips to you lot), peanuts, and for the more health-conscious pork scratchings. If it's the kind of pub where there may be ladies present, I guess some kind of soft beverage might be in order, such as water.
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Mar 21 2006, 01:08 PM
Pubs should serve good beer. Anything else is just window-dressing. If they serve food, it should be crisps (chips to you lot), peanuts, and for the more health-conscious pork scratchings. If it's the kind of pub where there may be ladies present, I guess some kind of soft beverage might be in order, such as water.

One problem with that. If you spend 18 hours a day, every day, in a pub, as all good Irishmen should, you can't live off of chips and pork scratchings alone. You need real meat, and you need potatoes. Period. Now, you limey bastards that can't hold your liquor may not be able to stay in a pub for more than two hours, but don't hold us to the same inability.
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San Francisco has some real Irish bars where if you aren't a paddy you aren't welcomed.
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Mar 21 2006, 12:12 PM

One problem with that. If you spend 18 hours a day, every day, in a pub, as all good Irishmen should, you can't live off of chips and pork scratchings alone. You need real meat, and you need potatoes. Period. Now, you limey bastards that can't hold your liquor may not be able to stay in a pub for more than two hours, but don't hold us to the same inability.

Irishmen don't eat real meat. Corned beef isn't real meat. Irishmen eat potatoes, everybody knows that, and crisps are potatoes. If you really want meat, then get Smoky Bacon flavour crisps.

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Also, Irishmen don't spend 18 hours a day in the pub. They have to queue up at least once a week to cash their benefit cheques.
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DivaDeb
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take it from one who knows her real Irishmen very very well...the answer to the question is "chip butty" It's sort of like swallowing something to mop up all the beer...

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Mar 21 2006, 12:30 PM
take it from one who knows her real Irishmen very very well...the answer to the question is "chip butty" It's sort of like swallowing something to mop up all the beer...

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I agree, chip butties are fantastic. If the chips are fried in lard, you might get a bit of protein thrown in with the cholesterol.
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